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Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

"Even If"???? So at a time of war against terrorist organizations like Hamas, and his obvious feeling that our policies (IOW, support of Israel) caused 9/11, you think we don't have a right to stand in the way of him building a monument to their success of that day? Are you kidding?

Plenty of americans agree with him.
 
Don't play word games dude...He tried to, and just can't get past saying that our policies, (Meaning our support of Israel) made us an accomplice to that crime....That is BS!!!!!


j-mac

Accomplice? It makes me a radical to say our foreing policy has something to do with 9/11? Who's the real radical here?
 
No one so far shows Manhattan as their location. I'm not like Palin. I can't see Manhattan from my porch.
 
Not only is the funding unaccounted for but the Imam who would be in charge said this:

BRADLEY: Are — are — are you in any way suggesting that we in the United States deserved what happened?

Imam ABDUL RAUF: I wouldn’t say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened.

BRADLEY: OK. You say that we’re an accessory?

Imam ABDUL RAUF: Yes.

BRADLEY: How?

Imam ABDUL RAUF: Because we have been an accessory to a lot of — of innocent lives dying in the world. In fact, it — in the most direct sense, Osama bin Laden is made in the USA.


Ground Zero Imam: U.S. Policies “An Accessory” To 9/11 Attacks*|*The American Pundit

The funding and this sorry excuse for a holy man stinks to high heaven.
 
You don't think our actions in that part of the world contributed to some of the hatred they hold for us? There's a difference between deserving it and contributing to it.


Our Actions in that part of the world? You mean our support of Israel don't you?


If I repeatedly set your car on fire, I don't deserve to be shot by you. However, if you were to shoot me, my setting your car on fire might be considered a contribution to the situation that caused the shooting.


False analogy meant to distract from the larger point. Stay on topic please.


Somehow I bet you'll spin this to mean I support the terrorists or something, as that would be standard absolutism for conservatives and a continuation of the absolutism you've already displayed here, so let me just head that off as being total bull****.


Do words mean anything?


SE102 said:
Plenty of americans agree with him.

So what! And plenty more don't. I think that the recent polling of the question of whether or not to allow this mosque there were somewhere around 60% NO! So once again the people don't want it, but the lib pols will proceed anyway. I am seeing a pattern with liberals.


j-mac
 
There is nothing redeeming about the Islamic faith, fundamentalist or extremist. The Koran is filled with hatred toward nonbelievers. I wonder if "they" would let us build a Christian church in Mecca?.

Who are 'they'? The Saudis? 'They' don't represent Islam anymore than New York City represents Christianity.
 
Sorry, I am usually for letting anyone worship the way they request to worship. Also, people should be allowed to build what they want on their property. And, if they are not permitted to build, they'd win a case in the US Supreme Court.

BUT, THIS IS BULL****, and those defending the right for the Mosque know it is BULL****.

You build your Mosque anywhere you like but NOT next to Ground Zero. Ground Zero is SACRED, and many will defend to prohibit this from happening.

I hope the zoning committee finds a way to prevent it.
 
Our Actions in that part of the world? You mean our support of Israel don't you?

Actually, the U.S. has a long track record of supporting corrupt, inhumane dictators and monarchies in the middle east, from the shah to the ruling family of Saudi Arabia. And, we did, in fact, "make" Bin Laden and others through our military support of the Taliban freedom fighters during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

That's just basic history, dude.
 
You build your Mosque anywhere you like but NOT next to Ground Zero. Ground Zero is SACRED, and many will defend to prohibit this from happening.

I hope the zoning committee finds a way to prevent it.

Would you still be protesting this loudly if it were a Christian Church being built there? Yes or no?
 
Actually, the U.S. has a long track record of supporting corrupt, inhumane dictators and monarchies in the middle east, from the shah to the ruling family of Saudi Arabia. And, we did, in fact, "make" Bin Laden and others through our military support of the Taliban freedom fighters during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

That's just basic history, dude.


I am well aware of our history in the ME, and wonder sometimes just what you libs would have us do as it relates to US interests abroad?

Should we have let the Soviet Union run roughshod over Afghanistan?

Should we not have a relationship with SA considering that they are one of our supplies of oil?

Maybe we should have let Saddam live eh?

We back the play of the things we think are right and just, for freedom, and libs tend to place catch 22's in the path at every turn.


j-mac
 
Actually, the U.S. has a long track record of supporting corrupt, inhumane dictators and monarchies in the middle east, from the shah to the ruling family of Saudi Arabia. And, we did, in fact, "make" Bin Laden and others through our military support of the Taliban freedom fighters during the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.

That's just basic history, dude.

The US also freed more people and gives more money to more countries than any other nation on earth.

Thats just basic history, dude.
 
Who are 'they'? The Saudis? 'They' don't represent Islam anymore than New York City represents Christianity.

Would Islam allow a Christian church to be built next to Mecca?


j-mac
 
Accomplice? It makes me a radical to say our foreing policy has something to do with 9/11? Who's the real radical here?

You. Since it had nothing to do with it.
 
The US is a Christian nation. Your dichotomy makes no sense.


j-mac

No we are NOT a Christian nation, we are a nation that has some Christian followers as well as other religions.

Thank you proving once again your intolerance of others.
 
It is my position that Islam is incompatible with Western values. If we are both to survive, then there must be separation. If it were in my power, I'd deport every single Muslim in Europe and the Americas. Either back to their country of origin or to their Islamic nation of choice and I would duly prohibit citizenship or permanent residency to any Muslim. I would still trade with them, but I'd keep them in their own lands, far away.... and if their ****ed up culture ever experiences a new biginning and they grow out of their intolerance, then isolation might no longer be necessary. Until that time however, I consider them to be a threat to our very existence.
 
well Hot damn...Since Muslim countries don't allow religious freedom that makes them Muslims over here exempt from the constitution, never knew it worked that way!


I'm just defending the constitution here, and The Bible is filled with absolutely atrocious and horrible things. Maybe it's no Koran but it's no Buddha-Dharma

Would you like to point out how not allowing a Mosque at a certain location is against the Constitution? Take your time and make a complete fool of yourself.
 
The U.S. constitution clearly states religious freedom. I mean how can we deny the property owners the right to build a religious Mosque?

Ever hear of "building codes"?
 
The US is a Christian nation. Your dichotomy makes no sense.


j-mac

Yay! You know, the Constitution was not necessarily framed as secular. The same old timers that wrote the Declaration of Independence were largely the same group who wrote the Constitution and were by and large a group of guys who were religious to the extent that they believed in their Creator or at least a higher power. The US was formed in a social and political climate where nearly everyone was Christian to one extent or another. I don't see where in hell, Islam must to associated with us
 
It is my position that Islam is incompatible with Western values. If we are both to survive, then there must be separation. If it were in my power, I'd deport every single Muslim in Europe and the Americas. Either back to their country of origin or to their Islamic nation of choice and I would duly prohibit citizenship or permanent residency to any Muslim. I would still trade with them, but I'd keep them in their own lands, far away.... and if their ****ed up culture ever experiences a new biginning and they grow out of their intolerance, then isolation might no longer be necessary. Until that time however, I consider them to be a threat to our very existence.

Good thing it isn't in your power and thank you for demonstrating your intolerance. You definitely aren't a follower of Jesus.
 
No we are NOT a Christian nation, we are a nation that has some Christian followers as well as other religions.

Thank you proving once again your intolerance of others.


Fail!!!!


It is true that that Christianity was the majority religion of the first european colonists, it was the majority religion at the time of the country's founding and has remained by far the dominant religion throughout the history of our country. There is no doubt that the country was settled by Christians and has been populated by a Christian majority.

USA founded as a Christian Nation? Quotes from Jefferson, Adams, Washington


This country was founded by Christians, and all the way to today over 80% of the population describes themselves as Christian....Yet we have your statement.....Sorry dude, you're just wrong.


j-mac
 
Good thing it isn't in your power and thank you for demonstrating your intolerance. You definitely aren't a follower of Jesus.

What I cannot do is allow them to continue to use the facade of religion to undermine the tenants of western society.
 
How about building a whore house next door to the mosque?


And a hot roast pork sandwich shop, a deli that specializes in pork sausage and picnic hams, and a Ribs restaurant.... think they would bitch?
 

Not FAIL considering most were Deists.


This country was founded by Christians, and all the way to today over 80% of the population describes themselves as Christian....Yet we have your statement.....Sorry dude, you're just wrong.

j-mac

No, it was founded by Deists for the most part with values that most religions share. Also, with a divorce rate of 50%, how many of those are actually ACTING like Christians?

Ultimate FAIL on your part.

If you want a theocracy, go to Iran
 
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