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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You have an excellent point -- except that whenever a Christian wants to dictate morality to someone else, like on the subject of homosexuality, they point to the Old Testament.
    Well at least they donít cut your head off if you donít agree with them or kill homosexuals like in Islam. Moreover, Christianity doesnít dictate morality, we have a government that adheres to the rule of law although the liberals are doing their best to undermine and erode them.

    It's not honest to point to the Old Testament when it supports your argument, and then say "well, Jesus said" when it doesn't.
    And it is not honest for you to make up asinine strawman arguments because I have never did what you assert. Moreover, Iím not even a Christian since Iím agnostic.

    Yes, in large part because there was a hierarchical structure to resist, whereas Islam has none. Islam is so localized that it can't and won't happen in the same way.
    The reality is the great hope of delusional wishful thinkers is that Islam will reform itself just in the nick of time to rescue the world. However, it is impossible for Islam to ever be reformed.

    Actually, yes you can, since so many Muslims are peaceful, and in many parts of the world are as secular as their infadel neighbors.
    Well I guess you can morally equate Islam with Christianity, however, it means that you are more than just a few cards short of a full deck.

    Furthermore, most of the jihad that takes place in the world today to remove all obstacles for the eventual imposition of Sharia takes place strictly through peaceful non-violent means. Hence, just because Muslims appear to be peaceful doesnít mean they are not jihadists.

    Not to mention that Islam isnít a suicide pact. Hence, if Muslims living in the West suddenly all became violent, they would all be killed in self-defense. I mean does a member of the CIA when he infiltrates another country act like a CIA agent or does he try to blend in and not to be noticed. Hence, why would you automatically assume that Muslim infiltrators would be stupid enough to give away the game?

    Finally, any Muslim that does not adhere to Sharia, the will of Allah, isnít a Muslim. Now put that in context with secular Muslims. In case you canít figure it out, it means they arenít true Muslims and only maintain their Muslim identities because they have the fear of the punishment for apostasy hanging over their heads.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    The First Amendment also doesn't give us the authority to prosecute the peaceful Muslims in the US for the offenses of Muslims committed in other parts of the world.
    Why would we want to prosecute Muslims that haven't broken any laws? However, all Muslim immigration should be banned and reversed. Indeed, during the Cold War we didn't allow millions of communists immigrate and infiltrate our country because that would have been suicidal. Hence, we shouldn't allow millions of Muslims immigrate and infiltrate our country today because that is likewise suicidal.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Most Muslims in the US were born in the US.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    Why would we want to prosecute Muslims that haven't broken any laws? However, all Muslim immigration should be banned and reversed. Indeed, during the Cold War we didn't allow millions of communists immigrate and infiltrate our country because that would have been suicidal. Hence, we shouldn't allow millions of Muslims immigrate and infiltrate our country today because that is likewise suicidal.
    You can't kick out someone who legally immigrated to this country just because of their religion.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post

    Well then, point me to the unified Islamic church and I'll concede your point.

    There may be only one Koran, but there is no one authority for interpreting it telling the masses to kill infadels. That's why so many Muslims live peaceful lives without having a crisis of faith over it.
    Your post is so ridiculous and absurd that I almost didnít even respond to it. Nevertheless, ijtihad in Islam has been locked for well over a thousand years. Go look up ijtihad and find out what it is all about.

    No, certain wackos seek to replace the Constitution with the Koran.
    Again, a Muslim who doesnít believe that society shouldnít be ordered the way that Allah says it should be ordered for all intents and purposes isnít a Muslim.

    That doesn't give us leave to persecute all Muslims.
    Who said anything about persecuting Muslims? Nevertheless, all non-Muslims living in Muslim countries are systematically persecuted against and often violently oppressed without exception.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Kroanon View Post
    Christianity at it's most extreme is just as disgusting as Islam as it's most extreme. They can also both be moderate, it depends on how passionate you are about your religion.
    Right. There have been a grand total of 9 abortion clinic bombings in the history of the world perpetrated by people who arenít even Christians because they are misguided mentally ill individuals. In addition, each abortion clinic bombings was loudly denounced and condemned by Christians. Meanwhile, since 9/11 there have been almost 16,000 terrorist attacks around the world perpetrated by Muslims always going out of their way to cite the specific Koranic verses and ahadith that justify their terrorist attacks, and as we have seen with Hezbollah and Hamas, Muslims proudly support them. YeahÖthe two religions are about as morally equal as water and fire. But go ahead and delude yourself.

    Moreover, in Christianity an adherent can choose how passionate he or she is or isnít about his religion. However, in Islam not being passionate can get you killed for murtaad (apostasy).

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Kroanon View Post
    So genocide is only ok when your God says it is huh?
    What are you smoking?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    Who said anything about persecuting Muslims? Nevertheless, all non-Muslims living in Muslim countries are systematically persecuted against and often violently oppressed without exception.
    Yes, we should follow the 3rd world dictatorships and look to them, emulating their domestic policies by persecuting minorities, is that what you're suggesting?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Kroanon View Post
    You still can't ignore the Old Testament.
    The issue isnít the Old Testament or even Christianity because it isnít Christians waging jihad both hot and cold all around the world. Itís Muslims. Hence, I see your game. You are using the violence perpetrated by Muslims in the name of Islam around the world to attempt to vilify and condemn Christianity, and excuse me but that is more than just a little bigoted.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    Right. There have been a grand total of 9 abortion clinic bombings in the history of the world perpetrated by people who aren’t even Christians because they are misguided mentally ill individuals. In addition, each abortion clinic bombings was loudly denounced and condemned by Christians. Meanwhile, since 9/11 there have been almost 16,000 terrorist attacks around the world perpetrated by Muslims always going out of their way to cite the specific Koranic verses and ahadith that justify their terrorist attacks, and as we have seen with Hezbollah and Hamas, Muslims proudly support them. Yeah…the two religions are about as morally equal as water and fire. But go ahead and delude yourself.

    Moreover, in Christianity an adherent can choose how passionate he or she is or isn’t about his religion. However, in Islam not being passionate can get you killed for murtaad (apostasy).
    Lets count
    The Crusades
    The Salem Witch Trials
    The whole Dark Ages
    Many gay bashing preformed by Christians
    and thats just off the top of my head.
    Not picking on Christianity, but every religion has its fair share of bloodshed done by people in the name of its God.
    Just because a set of extremist misinterpret their own holy book doesn't mean you should generalize all it's followers. Oh and I find it funny that you get to determine how good a muslim someone is.
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