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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    With all due respect, the first amendment of the constitution protects the freedom of religion. However, it does not accord such protection for a totalitarian theo-political ideology that seeks world domination. Hence, like I said you can’t dissect Islam and take only a tiny part of it, while at the same time you ignore the greatest part of it to circumvent the constitution. You must take Islam in totality for what it really is, a totalitarian theo-political ideology with the main goal and sole purpose of subjugating the world via the imposition of Sharia, and no such system is protected under the first amendment of the constitution or any other amendment for that matter.
    The First Amendment also doesn't give us the authority to prosecute the peaceful Muslims in the US for the offenses of Muslims committed in other parts of the world.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    Donít be absurd; in stark contrast to Islam, which is a religion of submission that forbids the freedom of conscience under the pain of death, Christianity like other religions is a faith-based religion. For instance, in Christianity as opposed to Islam, a Christian can freely choose what it is he or she will adhere to and what it is he or she will reject, and they can also freely choose to leave the religion if they so desire. However, in Islam, on the other hand, a Muslim canít question the strictures of the religion because that is blasphemy and blasphemy in Islam is a serious offense that is punishable under the pain of death. Likewise, once a Muslims always a Muslim, as a Muslim canít leave Islam as that is murtaad (apostasy), which is also a very serious offense in Islam punishable under the pain of death.
    As I've said, in certain parts of the world.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    Wishful thinking? You couldnít be any more mistaken. There isnít one Islam and one Koran for radicals and another one with its own separate Koran for so-called moderates. In Islam there is only one Islam and one Koran, and in fact the Koran is believed to be the uncreated divine word of God and as such is immutable and good for all time.
    Well then, point me to the unified Islamic church and I'll concede your point.

    There may be only one Koran, but there is no one authority for interpreting it telling the masses to kill infadels. That's why so many Muslims live peaceful lives without having a crisis of faith over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    Because Islam is a totalitarian theo-political ideology whose main goal and sole purpose is the subjugation of all unbelievers, all religions, and all governments under a very totalitarian legal system called Sharia, it violates the rights of others (unbelievers) by definition. Indeed, Islam seeks to replace the constitution with the Koran.
    No, certain wackos seek to replace the Constitution with the Koran.

    That doesn't give us leave to persecute all Muslims.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Kroanon View Post
    You are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear

    ďFor truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass the law until all is accomplished. Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.Ē (Matthew 5:18-19 RSV)

    "It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid." (Luke 16:17 NAB)

    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place." (Matthew 5:17 NAB)

    You judge a religion by it's source documents and beliefs. Compare what is done vs. what they are told to do. If you read the entire New Testament, you won't find a single example of a Christian killing someone, ordering others to kill anyone, killing someone because they don't believe or forcing someone to believe. Not one.

    Please show it, if I'm wrong

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Christianity at it's most extreme is just as disgusting as Islam as it's most extreme. They can also both be moderate, it depends on how passionate you are about your religion.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You judge a religion by it's source documents and beliefs. Compare what is done vs. what they are told to do. If you read the entire New Testament, you won't find a single example of a Christian killing someone, ordering others to kill anyone, killing someone because they don't believe or forcing someone to believe. Not one.

    Please show it, if I'm wrong
    In the United States, a nation of law, you judge individuals and groups of individuals by their own actions. Ergo, some Muslims are peaceful and that's fine, and some aren't and that's not fine.

    If someone were to judge the United States according to it's founding documents, they'd have a hell of a time matching the reality to the theory.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Kroanon View Post
    Christianity at it's most extreme is just as disgusting as Islam as it's most extreme. They can also both be moderate, it depends on how passionate you are about your religion.
    Which is true for any religion in general.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Kroanon View Post
    Christianity at it's most extreme is just as disgusting as Islam as it's most extreme. They can also both be moderate, it depends on how passionate you are about your religion.
    Read the New Testament and see if you can find any commands, inferential or explicit, to harm unbelievers. There is a single instance of a follower employing a deadly weapon. Peter cut off the ear of a servant with a sword when Jesus was arrested. He was rebuked and Jesus healed the servant.

    Have you read the entire New Testament to look for commands by God or Jesus to believers to commit acts of violence on non-believers?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Kroanon View Post
    You are thinking that the evil and immoral laws of the Old Testament are no longer in effect, perhaps you should read where Jesus makes it perfectly clear
    Actually, I said that the violent passages of the Old Testament were referring to a specific time, at a specific place, and against a specific people and were not similar to open-ended Koranic verses that are valid for all time or until all religion belongs to Allah. I mean where in the Old Testament does it command all Jews to slay all unbelievers until they say there is only one God and Muhammad is his messenger? Give me a break, canít you read and understand English?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ObamaYoMoma View Post
    Actually, I said that the violent passages of the Old Testament were referring to a specific time, at a specific place, and against a specific people and were not similar to open-ended Koranic verses that are valid for all time or until all religion belongs to Allah. I mean where in the Old Testament does it command all Jews to slay all unbelievers until they say there is only one God and Muhammad is his messenger? Give me a break, canít you read and understand English?
    So genocide is only ok when your God says it is huh?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Read the New Testament and see if you can find any commands, inferential or explicit, to harm unbelievers. There is a single instance of a follower employing a deadly weapon. Peter cut off the ear of a servant with a sword when Jesus was arrested. He was rebuked and Jesus healed the servant.

    Have you read the entire New Testament to look for commands by God or Jesus to believers to commit acts of violence on non-believers?
    You still can't ignore the Old Testament.

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