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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    It doesn't matter what "they" would do. "They" are not a part of our laws or culture. In this country, we believe in religious freedom. And as such, we recognize the rights of any religion, even those we don't agree with (like Scientology) to exist and practice as they see fit. So long as they don't infringe upon the rights of others, there's nothing we can legitimately do to stop them.
    My argument has been about its being in very poor taste...and probably an ulterior motive -- not that we can stop it. Of COURSE we can't.

    Our rights also include the right to be pissed off about it.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Don't make me take you to the woodshed. The point made was that you cannot equate Islam and Christianity unless you wish to embarrass yourself.

    Interesting you bring up Buddhism since Islam sees those religions as even lower forms of life than Christians and Jews or "people of the book"
    Please take me to the woodshed on a message board...lol, Islam is more radical than Christianity..Yes I'll admit that. Still Christianity was just as bad as Islam a few hundred years ago, killing people who would not convert and going on Crusades. I'm just saying Christianity isn't all bells and whistles. It's fairly radical itself and is filled with many horrific stories of rape and slaughter. You guys choose to ignore those verses but that doesn't change the fact they are there.

    The funny thing is both religions are extremely improbable to be true but you guys continue to argue over who is right and what not. My God has a bigger penis than yours!!!!

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Historically speaking it is a show of dominance to erect a temple on the ground which one feels they have conquered
    That is what I said.


    which is why I say it "looks" like a dirty move, Maybe that is the motive behind it..no way to know for sure.

    Motive? let's take a look at who is behind this so called outreach shall we?


    Feisal Abdul Rauf


    "It was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."

    and

    "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

    and

    During an interview on New York WABC radio in June 2010, Imam Rauf declined to say whether he agreed with the U.S. State Department's designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Responding to the question, Rauf said, "I'm not a politician. I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question... I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy."

    Feisal Abdul Rauf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So, he is a master deflector. When asked about the bombing of innocent civlians he plays the blame game with the US going back to WWII.

    When asked if the US deserved what happened on 9/11 he says that we were at least complicent in what happened. So yes he does believe we deserved it.

    When asked if he would denounce Hamas, he dances like a supporter of Hamas.

    YouTube - NYC Ground Zero Mosque Founder Exposed...?


    It is common practice for Muslims to lie to non believers, in fact is called for, so to take this man's word on anything would be insane, seeing as how he was raised by a Father that was involved in the Muslim Brotherhood.


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    even if he was an avid supporter of 9/11 and Hamas we still wouldn't have the right to stop that Mosque...It does indeed look a bit shoddy. I have just been trying to the point across that their is no way you can stop this mosque from being built without being unconstitutional. If I was that man I would build my mosque elsewhere but that doesn't change the fact that he has the right to build it a block away.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Exactly how is it a horrible assumption to assume the majority of people have not studied the Koran? I mean please enlighten me, I'm going out on a limb here and saying most haven't. I'll take JuJu's word that he has read it which means I'm wrong to make that bet but still, come on.

    You are not talking to the majority of people, you are talking to people on a political debate forum on a topic concerning Islam, therefore those of us participating are much more likely to have knowledge of the Qu'ran than the majority of people.

    I'm not going to waste my time trying to prove to you that myself or anyone else here is knowledgeable, because that is irrelevant. In my experience, it's always ill advised and rude to make such broad assumptions about a group of people.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    I honestly think you should quit while you're "ahead."
    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Still Christianity was just as bad as Islam a few hundred years ago, killing people who would not convert and going on Crusades.
    Uh-oh, too late.

    If you did some homework, you would see why many people are very emotional about the teachings in the Koran.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    That is what I said.





    Motive? let's take a look at who is behind this so called outreach shall we?


    Feisal Abdul Rauf


    "It was Christians in World War II who bombed civilians in Dresden and Hiroshima, neither of which were military targets."

    and

    "I wouldn't say that the United States deserved what happened, but the United States policies were an accessory to the crime that happened."

    and

    During an interview on New York WABC radio in June 2010, Imam Rauf declined to say whether he agreed with the U.S. State Department's designation of Hamas as a terrorist organization. Responding to the question, Rauf said, "I'm not a politician. I try to avoid the issues. The issue of terrorism is a very complex question... I am a peace builder. I will not allow anybody to put me in a position where I am seen by any party in the world as an adversary or as an enemy."

    Feisal Abdul Rauf - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    So, he is a master deflector. When asked about the bombing of innocent civlians he plays the blame game with the US going back to WWII.

    When asked if the US deserved what happened on 9/11 he says that we were at least complicent in what happened. So yes he does believe we deserved it.

    When asked if he would denounce Hamas, he dances like a supporter of Hamas.

    YouTube - NYC Ground Zero Mosque Founder Exposed...?


    It is common practice for Muslims to lie to non believers, in fact is called for, so to take this man's word on anything would be insane, seeing as how he was raised by a Father that was involved in the Muslim Brotherhood.


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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    even if he was an avid supporter of 9/11 and Hamas we still wouldn't have the right to stop that Mosque...It does indeed look a bit shoddy.
    "Even If"???? So at a time of war against terrorist organizations like Hamas, and his obvious feeling that our policies (IOW, support of Israel) caused 9/11, you think we don't have a right to stand in the way of him building a monument to their success of that day? Are you kidding?


    I have just been trying to the point across that their is no way you can stop this mosque from being built without being unconstitutional.

    Nope, you are just dead flat wrong here. Show me where in the constitution you have an unfettered right to build?


    If I was that man I would build my mosque elsewhere but that doesn't change the fact that he has the right to build it a block away.
    No you are confused, he has a right to own property, real, or otherwise, but no right to build, that is what local building commissions are for.


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "He said that we didn't deserve it, but I'm going to assume he meant that we DID deserve it!"
    Don't play word games dude...He tried to, and just can't get past saying that our policies, (Meaning our support of Israel) made us an accomplice to that crime....That is BS!!!!!


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Don't play word games dude...He tried to, and just can't get past saying that our policies, (Meaning our support of Israel) made us an accomplice to that crime....That is BS!!!!!


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    You don't think our actions in that part of the world contributed to some of the hatred they hold for us? There's a difference between deserving it and contributing to it.
    If I repeatedly set your car on fire, I don't deserve to be shot by you. However, if you were to shoot me, my setting your car on fire might be considered a contribution to the situation that caused the shooting.

    Somehow I bet you'll spin this to mean I support the terrorists or something, as that would be standard absolutism for conservatives and a continuation of the absolutism you've already displayed here, so let me just head that off as being total bull****.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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