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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Between America and some genocidal regime.



    Congragulations you pointed to an article referencing an era before the United States was even a country to show that prove some act or another committed by the United States.



    In the early 1700s before the formation of the United States. And exactly why are you using actions from 300 years ago in an attempt to justify the actions of today?



    The name of the case isn't given probably because no such case ever took place.



    Lawrence V. Texas found a right to privacy in consensual sexual relations so it sure as hell would. Tell me sir when is the last time anyone was ever put in jail for adultery in the U.S., oh and do name the case rather than cite an named case listed by an advertisement for a law firm so we can ascertain the veracity of the claim being made.



    But we will never know for sure because she has gone missing and I presume dead.



    No that's a fact.



    I didn't mention Muslims I said Islam, and mainstream Islam only accepts the death penalty and/or corporal punishment for adultery, apostasy, sodomy, and premarital sex.
    Looking for specific prosecutions of adultery would be a waste of time. It's not a matter of any serious dispute. As for the life sentence, it makes as much sense as a life sentence for drugs and is no more puritanical.

    The point about colonial laws is that they were a product of our culture and religion, the same culture that produced the Constitution and the United States. Fundamentalist ideas, or whatever you want to call them, don't necessarily make a society incapable of democratic self-rule.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

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    If it was a bunch of sekret Nazi Discordians building that mosque, can you just imagine?!

    There are not enough mittens in the world to congratulate someone who sinks an entire nation!


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    It would explain so much.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    That's true. I think they did try to play the game, though. That's why the place is not actually a Mosque and will not look like a Mosque, but a regular building with a community center and a "praying area" inside it.
    That has to be one of the worst excuses I've heard on this issue. That's like saying a church isn't a church its just a community center with an area to pray in lol

    From my Swiss perspective it seems like a good compromise (we're very big on that), but consensus has not been reached yet (we're very big on that too)
    You did manage to separate those nasty Jooz from all their money a few decades ago and you are currently harboring a ciminal who bought a pardon from Clinton. Well done.

    so... I dunno. I think it should be up to the people of New York to decide.
    And they have. IN SPADES. They don't want it.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    That has to be one of the worst excuses I've heard on this issue. That's like saying a church isn't a church its just a community center with an area to pray in lol
    Are you saying they're NOT building a community center?

    Weird.

    I've never heard of a church with a swimming pool, a bookstore and restaurants in it.

    Americans are funny.



    You did manage to separate those nasty Jooz from all their money a few decades ago and you are currently harboring a ciminal who bought a pardon from Clinton. Well done.
    I don't really understand what that's got to do with the way our political system is structured. You don't know much about my country, do you?



    And they have. IN SPADES. They don't want it.
    And yet there's nothing they can do to stop it. Oh, darn. Well, rail against my little corner of the world all you want for past deeds, but at least here the people run the country. It's not my fault your politicians have more power than you do.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post


    I think you've got the wrong religion.

    Discordianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Hmmmm....No I don't think I do....


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I realize over in Iran they are still stoning people to death but we are not in Iran so why on Earth should we put the label of a 3rd world country on the shoulders of the large and peaceful group of American Muslims. I am absolutley sick of hearing "They still stone people to death". Yeah they do, in Iran not the U.S.A. I personally do not support religion one bit but it's here to stay during my lifetime and I live in a Country that has religious freedom woven into it's fabric. I sure as hell will see to it that every religion is treated fairly. What many of you doing by painting all of Islam as the guilty of 9/11 is wrong.

    If a pack of radical Christians were to have rammed Jets into the twin towers we would not see such an objection if a YMCA with a chapel inside it being built within two blocks of the site, You all know you wouldn't appose that. It comes down to the core of religion. You all think that Muslims are misguided and on the wrong path, how would they find popularity in an overwhelmingly Christian country? You see, Islam has just as much of a chance being true as Christianity. Which is why I think it's laughable about how some of you argue about which religion is better, American Muslims are good people they are not like there counterparts in the middle east so quit putting that label on them.
    I'll offer one more backup for the infiltration theory. Western nations have a modern belief in freedom of religion. Islamic immigrants and converts take advantage of that by trumpeting every opposition as a violation of their religious rights. And we let them do it. How many Muslim clerics and congregations(?) have condemned the terrorism, killing and most recently, the mutilations of Americans in Iraq? How many condemn terrorist action in Israel? Don't hold your breath.

    Let me also contrast the Muslim traitors we have experienced in our own military in the last two years to the complete loyalty exhibited by Japanese Americans in WWII.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post






    I don't really understand what that's got to do with the way our political system is structured. You don't know much about my country, do you?





    And yet there's nothing they can do to stop it. Oh, darn. Well, rail against my little corner of the world all you want for past deeds, but at least here the people run the country. It's not my fault your politicians have more power than you do.
    Don't get ahead of yourself. Hmm.... I see, you are from Switzerland

    Didn't you guys approve a constitutional ban on Mosque Minarets last year? FOXNews.com - Switzerland Defends Ban on Mosque Minarets

    It's not my fault YOUR politicians have more power than you do.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    You cannot, under any circumstances, simply ban a religion.

    All you can do is ban whatever religious practices violate the rights of others.
    We'll see it sometime in the future..

    Religious freedom is very important. BUT religious freedom does not give you carte blanch to disregard and trample other's rights.

    Islam as a totalitarian social movement is dangerous.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    That has to be one of the worst excuses I've heard on this issue. That's like saying a church isn't a church its just a community center with an area to pray in lol
    I'd make fun of your oversimplification, but ArcanaXV said it better than I could've.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    You did manage to separate those nasty Jooz from all their money a few decades ago and you are currently harboring a ciminal who bought a pardon from Clinton. Well done.
    Holy cow, ArcanaXV is a SEKRET NAZI LEPRECHAUN with JOO gold that still has JOO blood on it!





    Seriously, I don't think you want to get into a US vs Switzerland atrocity contest. We've done some pretty dirty deeds, too.

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And they have. IN SPADES. They don't want it.
    Wow, you mean that when somebody buys a piece of property with private money, and wants to build something on it with private money which fits the building codes and is zoned properly, the average Joe on the street doesn't get to tell them NO?

    Well, hell.

    I'm just shocked!

    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Don't get ahead of yourself. Hmm.... I see, you are from Switzerland

    Didn't you guys approve a constitutional ban on Mosque Minarets last year? FOXNews.com - Switzerland Defends Ban on Mosque Minarets

    It's not my fault YOUR politicians have more power than you do.

    Dude, you're making my case for me.

    This was a popular initiative. Signatures were collected and a referendum vote was held. The results are constitutionally binding. The government DID NOT WANT this law to pass. The PEOPLE of this country always have the final say and the constitution was changed after the popular vote. I may not be happy about the result, personally. But our system of democracy was respected and I have no choice but to accept it. That doesn't change the fact that the people of Switzerland have ALWAYS held more power than their government. I am perfectly free to go out tomorrow and collect signatures to try and reverse the vote. If I'm successful and a majority of people vote for my initiative, the constitution will be changed once again. Do you understand that all it takes in this country to change the constitution is a popular vote?

    And you try to tell me that our politicians have any power whatsoever? Now THAT is comedy GOLD!
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