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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    One similarity is that they've both been pretexts for Western interventionism when the real motive was commerce.
    Winston - The huge difference is, Islam won't collapse under economic pressure. Religions collapse or go by the wayside either through conquest and eradication, or by conversion to a perceived superior religion. Islam protects itself by not allowing the open practice of another religion in their territory and killing anyone who converts to another religion from Islam.

    This makes it practically impossible for Islam to ever collapse the way communism did in the USSR.

    Islam is even more insidious than communism.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Since Jet refuses to answer, I'll let others take a shot at my previous question (if they can)

    Wtf constitutes "radical" Islam? Is it the desire to declare jihad on unbelievers? To eliminate Israel? To destroy the US? To spread Islam around the world?

    Wtf is it?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Since Jet refuses to answer, I'll let others take a shot at my previous question (if they can)

    Wtf constitutes "radical" Islam? Is it the desire to declare jihad on unbelievers? To eliminate Israel? To destroy the US? To spread Islam around the world?

    Wtf is it?
    What it means to me doesn't matter. Whats quite more disturbing is what it means to you. You seem to believe every Muslim and his dog is a jihadist. Which is EXACTLY what the terrorists want you to believe. They want you to be afraid. And it worked... on you

    Terrorists usually have that effect on the weak minded.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Crusades, Old Testament, Inquisition.
    Now you are comparing relatively ancient Christianity with current Islam. Christianity has evolved. Islam has not, Mister Drunken

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    What it means to me doesn't matter. Whats quite more disturbing is what it means to you. You seem to believe every Muslim and his dog is a jihadist. Which is EXACTLY what the terrorists want you to believe. They want you to be afraid. And it worked... on you

    Terrorists usually have that effect on the weak minded.
    Jet - The fact of the matter is "radical" Islam" is a part of Islam that has always existed because the Koran and Hadith contain so much to support it.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Jet - The fact of the matter is "radical" Islam" is a part of Islam that has always existed because the Koran and Hadith contain so much to support it.
    I can smell fear.

    Want some Axe?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque - CNN.com


    I think what they are doing is in somewhat poor taste but they have every right to do so. It's called religious freedom and the people who oppose these seem to be borderline hysterical about Islam, as if every Muslim has dynamite strapped to him somewhere on his body.

    I think it is kind of wrong to label mainstream Islam with 9/11, It was fundamentalist Muslims who carried out 9/11. Just like Mormons don't like to be labeled with polygamy and Christians don't like to be labeled with the creationists and extreme homophobes.
    So who's building the Mosque - mainstream or fundamentalists?
    How can we be sure it won't attract or sect off with more fundamentalists?
    What's so wrong with wanting some distance between the two - more than 2 blocks worth, that is?

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    There is nothing redeeming about the Islamic faith, fundamentalist or extremist. The Koran is filled with hatred toward nonbelievers. I wonder if "they" would let us build a Christian church in Mecca?

    Somewhat poor taste? Honestly, we just bend over and grab our ankles to look tolerant.
    Have you noticed that there are a lot of religions that fit this bill?
    A screaming comes across the sky.
    It has happened before, but there is nothing to compare it to now.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Winston - The huge difference is, Islam won't collapse under economic pressure. Religions collapse or go by the wayside either through conquest and eradication, or by conversion to a perceived superior religion.
    Christianity was forced to relinquish its political power without eradication or conversion.

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Islam protects itself by not allowing the open practice of another religion in their territory and killing anyone who converts to another religion from Islam.
    Kinda like Christianity did.

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    This makes it practically impossible for Islam to ever collapse the way communism did in the USSR.
    You mean they way Christianity did?

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Islam is even more insidious than communism.
    Islam, being a religion, is like any other religion or prevalent ideology. It is no more or less insidious.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Since Jet refuses to answer, I'll let others take a shot at my previous question (if they can)

    Wtf constitutes "radical" Islam? Is it the desire to declare jihad on unbelievers? To eliminate Israel? To destroy the US? To spread Islam around the world?

    Wtf is it?
    I think it's fair to say that radical Islam is what you get when the religion is twisted to justify the use of violence against civilians in the interest of disrupting the established order.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    I can smell fear.

    Want some Axe?
    Check out, the last 200 years or so. One of the pushing points for jihadi movements has been the economic and military dominance of the West. The inequality is never attributed to culture, geography, resources, pop, educationm etc, etc It is because they have fallen away from the true faith. When Islam followed the true faith, they were successful, i.e. they conquered and won. Not the other way around.

    They also have a ****ed up tribal structure where wealth gets concentrated at the top and the purpose of business, industry and money is to continue its concentration at the top. Their culture does not encourage upward mobility by the common man aka John Doe

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