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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    One similarity is that they've both been pretexts for Western interventionism when the real motive was commerce.
    Thankyou Mr. Chomsky, don't you have some anti-American genocidal regime to defend somewhere?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    We have a history of criminalizing immoral and irreligious behaviors, in some cases to the point of making them capital offenses.
    No sir we do not as a country have a history of invoking the capital and/or corporal punishment for homosexuality, adultery, and/or apostasy, you are a liar, prove it or GTFO.

    We may not always enforce the penalties, but neither do Muslims.

    Tell me when the last time anyone in this country has seen any jail time for adultery, sodomy, or apostasy? I understand that you want to support the capital and/or corporal punishment penalty for gays, apostates, and adulterers, but please don't insult our intelligence by trying to draw a parallel between U.S. law and Sharia, you are making me annoyed and yourself look stupid.

    Recall for example the adulteress who wasn't executed in Iran recently.
    Because of international pressure. If that story hadn't gotten out she would have been stoned to death. Now she'll just be serving a life sentence.

    Muslim countries are learning to join the modern world, just as we are.
    Really? They set here free did they? No she'll be spending a lot of time in prison instead. Every single school of Islamic Fiqh calls for the death penalty and/or capital punishment for apostasy, premarital sex, adultery, and sodomy, that isn't even close to being in the modern world, try the 15th century.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    We have a history of criminalizing immoral and irreligious behaviors, in some cases to the point of making them capital offenses. We may not always enforce the penalties, but neither do Muslims. Recall for example the adulteress who wasn't executed in Iran recently. Muslim countries are learning to join the modern world, just as we are.


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

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    Bull****, you hear it every single day on these boards that Stalin or Castro or Mao are not representative of Communism, that the "real" Communism hasn't been tried yet.
    People say that NOW. Back then, the general consensus was "ZOMG EVIL RUSSIAN SCUM WANT TO KILL US ALL". Same crap you hear about Muslims today.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

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    I know and we weren't at war with Muslims until we started messing around in their business.



    I know, Muslims didn't start attacking us until after we messed with them. You're exactly right, the Barbary Pirates were not Muslims and did not cite Islamic dogma as their justification.
    I didn't say they weren't Muslims or that they didn't use religion to justify their crimes. But Muslims haven't been the only ones to do that. Christians thoroughly plundered the New World and exterminated the natives in the name of Christ, sad to say.

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    You mean like Mossadeq who was appointed by the Shah and overthrew the Parliament through a fraudulent referendum in which he garnered a 99.9% yay vote? Ya real bastion of liberty that one.



    These things were there before we got there, get ****ing educated, they are responsible for the state of their own affairs.
    To a great extent, Islamic radicalism is the creation of Western colonial/imperialist powers who were seeking to counteract democratic forces. Democracy has failed to thrive in the Muslim world because we've actively opposed it at almost every turn.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Thankyou Mr. Chomsky, don't you have some anti-American genocidal regime to defend somewhere?
    I wouldn't defend genocide by any regime. Not even a pro-American one.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No sir we do not as a country have a history of invoking the capital and/or corporal punishment for homosexuality, adultery, and/or apostasy, you are a liar, prove it or GTFO.
    See the linked material on "The Bloody Code." Also of interest are the race-specific laws applicable only to blacks.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris
    Tell me when the last time anyone in this country has seen any jail time for adultery, sodomy, or apostasy? I understand that you want to support the capital and/or corporal punishment penalty for gays, apostates, and adulterers, but please don't insult our intelligence by trying to draw a parallel between U.S. law and Sharia, you are making me annoyed and yourself look stupid.
    I don't know the last time, but it does happen:

    If you have been arrested for adultery, it may benefit you to know that the crime of adultery has been successfully prosecuted in the state of Wisconsin in recent history in a case involving another criminal defense firm and resulting in a man being sentenced to prison for a period of years for having had an affair.

    http://www.vanwagnerwood.com/CM/Custom/Adultery.asp
    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris
    Because of international pressure. If that story hadn't gotten out she would have been stoned to death. Now she'll just be serving a life sentence.
    So they responded to pressure. Good for them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris
    Really? They set here free did they? No she'll be spending a lot of time in prison instead. Every single school of Islamic Fiqh calls for the death penalty and/or capital punishment for apostasy, premarital sex, adultery, and sodomy, that isn't even close to being in the modern world, try the 15th century.
    The 15th century was closer to it than you might think. It was just before the Reformation, which marked a period of transition from Medieval times to modernity. Islam's current condition is arguably similar.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    I wouldn't defend genocide by any regime. Not even a pro-American one.

    Implication here is ofcourse you would place America at the bottom of any list you would consider defending.....That is just great! And you presumably are a citizen of this country?

    Tell us, which institution of "higher learning" did you attend so that we may accurately judge and keep from sending our children to that particular indoctrination camp?


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Implication here is ofcourse you would place America at the bottom of any list you would consider defending.....That is just great! And you presumably are a citizen of this country?

    Tell us, which institution of "higher learning" did you attend so that we may accurately judge and keep from sending our children to that particular indoctrination camp?


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    WTF are you talking about? How does supporting a genocide defend the United States?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Implication here is ofcourse you would place America at the bottom of any list you would consider defending.....That is just great! And you presumably are a citizen of this country?
    Yes, because if he doesn't support genocide, then that means by default he puts America at the bottom of the list for defending.

    What a moronic comment from you, but not surprising.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Implication here is ofcourse you would place America at the bottom of any list you would consider defending.....That is just great! And you presumably are a citizen of this country?

    Tell us, which institution of "higher learning" did you attend so that we may accurately judge and keep from sending our children to that particular indoctrination camp?


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    Actually I made the opposite implication. If I'd said "especially not a pro-American one," you'd be right.

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