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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    At it's very roots, it's essential being, Islam is violently intolerant and incompatible with everyone who is not Muslim
    Crusades, Old Testament, Inquisition.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Give me a ****ing break, the largest proponent for this Mosque said that the U.S. brought 9-11 upon itself.
    Ugh. He said that we made mistakes. He didn't say that the attacks were justified.

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    It's like pointing out that the cause of a car accident, the car swerved, and refusing to admit, because you thought that would make the victim "look bad." The car accident wasn't satan, but they did make a mistake.

    Not only are they having the Mosque at ground zero but to rub everyone's nose in it they are holding the ground breaking ceremony on 9-11, and you people are honestly suggesting it is an attempt at reconciliation? How naive can you possibly be?
    If you had evidence that they supported the attacks and fundamentalism I'd agree with you, but you have nothing to go against their claims other than generalizations
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No the Ijma of the Ulama in all five schools of Islamic fiqh which have determined that apostasy, sodomy, adultery, and pre-marital sex are to be punished by death or lashings, reflects on Islam, that is not the fringe view, it is the ONLY accepted view in mainstream Islam. Are all Muslims violent? No. But that says absolutely nothing about Islam itself just as a pro-choice Catholic does not reflect on the pro-life position of the Catholic church.
    Since when is a religion only defined by those in ivory towers? Many listen to them, but how one does or doesn't look to God is up to them. To define religion by the narrow viewpoint of a few people, powerful or not, is to distort what the religion is.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No, it's more analogous to people seeing the Soviet Union or Red China and saying "that's not the real Communism now only if you gave the real Communism a chance".
    Nah, I never heard anyone say that before the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union broke into pieces.

    But either way, whoever said that is right. The only real form of communism I know of is the original kibbutz communities in Israel.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I am 100% opposed to Islam in every way, shape or form. Forget religious opposition. From a purely secular, political perspective, Islam is a clear and present danger to this country and to the American way of life. Islam is even more insidious than communism. Until the day arises that we finally decide to eradicate it, we must resist it at every point. It should not be protected under the first amendment because of the threat it presents to the US.

    Btw The liberal mods are itching to ban me
    There's no need to eradicate it. You have laws to keep fundamentalism in check, do you not? Punish those who break the law of the land and leave the peaceful people alone.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Ya I mean like when we were clearly attacking Muslims when they started attacking and enslaving our sailors prior to the barbary wars. And by "interfering in their business" I take it you mean, finding, developing, and then purchasing their oil at a fair price so that they could stop living in ****ing tents in the ****ing desert. How dare we.
    The Barbary Wars weren't the kind of boundless quagmire we have today. We took care of the pirates and went on with our business, unlike the French, who colonized North Africa and have had trouble ever since. We didn't worry much about Islam again until after the World Wars, when we really started interfering. By that I mean overthrowing democratic governments, supporting religious extremists and dictators, nurturing police states, and generally wreaking havoc.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Well never.



    What? Ya people receive the death penalty for trafficking pot all the time.




    Ya we admit the latter is a fictional character; whereas, they do not admit that for their celestial dictator.
    We have a history of criminalizing immoral and irreligious behaviors, in some cases to the point of making them capital offenses. We may not always enforce the penalties, but neither do Muslims. Recall for example the adulteress who wasn't executed in Iran recently. Muslim countries are learning to join the modern world, just as we are.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    lol.....Tell me, whats difference between Islam and Communism?
    One similarity is that they've both been pretexts for Western interventionism when the real motive was commerce.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Arcana XV View Post
    Nah, I never heard anyone say that before the Berlin Wall fell and the Soviet Union broke into pieces.
    Bull****, you hear it every single day on these boards that Stalin or Castro or Mao are not representative of Communism, that the "real" Communism hasn't been tried yet.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    The Barbary Wars weren't the kind of boundless quagmire we have today.
    I know and we weren't at war with Muslims until we started messing around in their business.

    We took care of the pirates and went on with our business, unlike the French, who colonized North Africa and have had trouble ever since. We didn't worry much about Islam again until after the World Wars, when we really started interfering.
    I know, Muslims didn't start attacking us until after we messed with them. You're exactly right, the Barbary Pirates were not Muslims and did not cite Islamic dogma as their justification.

    By that I mean overthrowing democratic governments,
    You mean like Mossadeq who was appointed by the Shah and overthrew the Parliament through a fraudulent referendum in which he garnered a 99.9% yay vote? Ya real bastion of liberty that one.

    supporting religious extremists and dictators, nurturing police states, and generally wreaking havoc.
    These things were there before we got there, get ****ing educated, they are responsible for the state of their own affairs.

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