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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Show us all the religous freedom that Muslim dominated countries dish out.
    Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Turkey, Jordan .... they are some Muslim countries which allow freedoms.


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Kuwait, UAE, Bahrain, Turkey, Jordan .... they are some Muslim countries which allow freedoms.
    You make it so easy to prove you wrong.

    Jordan: The state religion is Islam. The Government prohibits conversion from Islam and proselytization of Muslims.

    Some freedom LOL

    Let's continue:

    Kuwait:

    The Constitution also provides that the State protect the freedom to practice religion in accordance with established customs, provided that it does not conflict with public policy or morals.

    The Constitution states that Islam is the state religion and that Shari'a (Islamic law) is a main source of legislation.


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    UAE: Muslim women cannot marry non-Muslim men. Should a non-Muslim man and a Muslim woman their marriage will not be considered valid, and both are subject to arrest, trial and imprisonment on grounds of fornication.
    Missionary activity is technically not prohibited, but practice makes such activity difficult although not dangerous.
    Conversion from Islam is technically not illegal, but such are not recognized; converts remain Muslims in all official documents and practice
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    Bahrain:

    The Constitution states that Islam is the official religion and that Shari'a (Islamic law) is a principal source for legislation. Anti-Islamic writings are prohibited. Every religious group must obtain a license from the Ministry of Justice and Islamic Affairs (MOJIA) to operate. A religious group may also need approval from the Ministry of Social Development, the Ministry of Information, and/or the Ministry of Education for some activities, such as opening a school.

    LOL Thanks for proving my point. You don't have a clue what religous freedom is.

    Only Turkey comes close and they still have their issues.

    While Catholics in Turkey enjoy religious freedom, they are still waiting for civil juridical recognition, Benedict XVI pointed out to the nation's new envoy to the Holy See.


    But considering your background I'm not surprised in the least you would think this is religous freedom in Muslim dominated countries.
    Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    I don't even know why some people just don't admit they hate Muslims. I'd have more respect for you Tex, Ric, Ferris if you just admitted it and we can stop pretending
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I don't even know why some people just don't admit they hate Muslims. I'd have more respect for you Tex, Ric, Ferris if you just admitted it and we can stop pretending
    I'd have more respect for you if you didn't pretend you understand what religous freedom is with those pitiful examples.

    Smart move not debating them either.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Would you prefer I said - Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Iran?

    Smart not answering my question. Just admit it and we can move on.
    Oh and also good move in not arguing with me on my own holy book, I guess even you know when you got owned.


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You and others attacked me because my ideas were "unconstitutional". Now, eminent domain which is clearly legal (Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution) is being discussed and you're, the one thats foaming out of the mouth...lol

    Now, who is the hypocrite?
    Eminent Domain is constitutional, but the way you are wanting to apply it is NOT constitutional.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I already said that they have every right to their Mosque, what I made clear though is that there is a difference between defending the rights of this group and defending the group itself, int seems you are engaging in the latter which would make you an enemy of liberty and not its defeder.
    By only discussing the private property law? Really. How did I defend the group by only discussing their private rights to their own property?

    Furthermore, you may want to revisit the post you criticized.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Winston Smith View Post
    B. The US did bring 9/11 upon itself.
    No, it did not.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    I have no problem with islam, Laila I consider a good DP friend for example, I think she would agree groundbreaking on 911 is a big FU to those like me who lost family and friends in the 911 attacks.

    that said, is it confirmed this is thier plan?
    Still not relevant to what I'm talking about. You may disagree with the Mosque, but private property laws are still evenly applied.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    I don't think it's the Koran that is the problem, it is that a lot of the Middle East which practices Islam is living in undeveloped conditions, and so Islam is the only reality a lot of people know. This is especially true in the very rural and outlying areas. The Bible is full of violence and hate too if you wish to hone in on those specific passages, but as most Christians will tell you, people don't cling to so many Old Testament notions anymore, and that is entirely because most Christians now live in modernized, free nations, with access to higher education, where they know that it's not okay to smite people for not resting on the Sabbath. The way religion is perceived and is used evolves alongside everything else.

    If you go to India, the cities are becoming more and more modernized, which means more education; but if you go to the rural countryside there are still people who believe in superstitions stemming from Hinduism about pleasing the gods or else death. (Just FYI, I'm not making any assertions about the validity of their faith, just the politics.) Even the urban people talk about how backward the countryside can be, and they live in the same nation.

    To say that the root of violence is Islam is to deny all the other factors related to the violence, like politics, corrupt governments, economy, lack of stable development, war, poor access to education, regional security, etc. All of these things affect what values people are taught growing up. Afghanistan for example was a thriving proto-democracy before the British Empire, and the USSR and American campaigns of the Cold War; it had a rich culture with the foundations of civil rights beginning to form. Then it got torn to hell by war and politics, and as usual the tribal leaders and all their values seized control of the nation. The Taliban does not represent the best of what Afghanistan can achieve, and its radical Muslims do not represent the kind of society that was there before it became so war torn. I wish more people would learn the history of Afghanistan to see how cool it was even less than a century ago.

    A lot of people are lacking the insight into the bigger picture of the Islamic world, especially from an historical perspective. Yes there has been barbarity, and yes the Koran has violent passages, but the choice over what passages get used in the world has always been determined by power politics. It is really easy and tempting to blame Islam for everything but usually it's corruption and under-development of nations that causes people to turn to religion for the solution to everything.

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