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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Thanks for being super uninformed as usual. They passed the zoning laws (RTFT). There's nothing right now other then public displeasure stopping them from building.
    Yep, really representatives of the people then aren't they? NOT!


    If this was Communist Russia sure. But it's not. They passed the zoning laws (You really should have read that before as you've gotten dinged at least three times so far on that). They own the land. We have private property laws. Just because YOU don't like it doesn't mean we don't evenly apply our property laws.

    First off, a Communist state would care less about what the people want, kind of like how you libs are acting about this....hmmmmmm.

    Second, We do have property laws, you are correct.....Just ask those involved in the Kelo case.


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Good question, and honestly, no I would not against a Christian church, Jewish temple, or a Hindu/Buddist temple.

    There are two Christian Churches already next to it Trinity and St. John's, but this is not the reason I'd vote no.

    I don't have numbers; I am not lumping all Muslims together; and generally, I would not vote no to mosques being built anywhere else. Hell, build one right next door to my house, school, job, etc., BUT, don't build one next to Ground Zero.

    On this infamous dates, many Muslims were photographed celebrating the collapse of the Twin Towers. Radical Muslims have declared Juhad (sic) on the USA and the west, and we are at war with Al Queda.

    Am I being prejudice? ON THIS ISSUE, HELL YES. Ground Zero is scared, and to build a mosque near it would award those idiots who attacked us.

    Sorry
    "Sacred".

    What happened to all of the sacred American Indian burial grounds? That's right, we built right on top of them. Ground Zero is not sacred to me. Besides, they are two blocks away. What would be the actual diameter of the sacred ground zero land? A mile? 10 miles? In Oklahoma City there is a memorial of 168(?) chairs. That Memorial defines the perimeter of the sacred land. What's at ground zero?

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    "Sacred".

    What happened to all of the sacred American Indian burial grounds? That's right, we built right on top of them. Ground Zero is not sacred to me. Besides, they are two blocks away. What would be the actual diameter of the sacred ground zero land? A mile? 10 miles? In Oklahoma City there is a memorial of 168(?) chairs. That Memorial defines the perimeter of the sacred land. What's at ground zero?

    So it's all about pay back for you eh? Let's see, we did horrible things to the American Indian, so we deserved 9/11 is that right?

    I know one other individual that believes that too.....His name? Ward Churchill.


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    "Sacred".

    What happened to all of the sacred American Indian burial grounds? That's right, we built right on top of them. Ground Zero is not sacred to me. Besides, they are two blocks away. What would be the actual diameter of the sacred ground zero land? A mile? 10 miles? In Oklahoma City there is a memorial of 168(?) chairs. That Memorial defines the perimeter of the sacred land. What's at ground zero?


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    What you are arguing for is suspension of both to stop this mosque. Very, very, very UN-American.
    I would remove Islam from the sphere of religious freedom and would not allow it's practice outside traditional Muslim countries. Its basic, core beliefs make it a threat to anyone and any country that isn't Muslim.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Second, We do have property laws, you are correct.....Just ask those involved in the Kelo case.
    Good point, let's ask those involved in the Kelo case what they thought. Like Thomas Jefferson, John Adams, Thomas Paine, and James Madison who said in the Takings Clause of the the Fifth Amendment, "nor shall private property be taken for public use, without just compensation." It's remarkable how little respect so-called conservatives have for the Constitution whenever it conflicts with their cherished little dogmas about "property ownership." Sorry to break it to you, but the Framers weren't Libertarians.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Or they can do what they are planning and build the Mosque. But seeing as how you are anti-Muslim, you would rather trash the constitution and discriminate solely against Muslims. How very intolerant of you.



    This Mosque is not being built by Palestinians last I checked, it was being built by Americans. So what does Palestinians have to do with American Muslims?



    So you blame American Muslims for 9/11 and Al-Qaeda? Wow what a stretch.
    Hell yes, radicals in this country financial supported radical Islam and called for Jihad again the USA.

    Go ahead label me as anti-muslim, I am not anti-muslim except on this issue. Radical Islam has declared war on our nation, so excuse me if I don't embrace them with open arms. The muslims will get their mosque because the constitution guarantees it. And the USA is more tolerant than all Muslim nations. In fact, Bloomberg supports the mosque. Sad that it will be built before the freedom tower.

    The fact remains that before 9-11 american muslims were financing radicals. REMEMBER when the US gov't froze their assets after 9-11, oh you forgot about 9-11, and now you choose to make Islam the victim of 9-11. I am not proud of my position, but radical muslims actions on 9-11, african embassy bombings, beheadings, the USS Cole, etc. have swayed my opinion.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    "Sacred".

    What happened to all of the sacred American Indian burial grounds? That's right, we built right on top of them. Ground Zero is not sacred to me. Besides, they are two blocks away. What would be the actual diameter of the sacred ground zero land? A mile? 10 miles? In Oklahoma City there is a memorial of 168(?) chairs. That Memorial defines the perimeter of the sacred land. What's at ground zero?
    So, you want to build a parking garage over ground zero? Hell, since the USA descrated the Native American burial grounds, then we deserve what we got. Sacred equals where 2k innocent persons lost their lives because Radical Muslims flew planes into the WTC. The Mosque is guaranteed to be build, again because of our constitiution.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Hell yes, radicals in this country financial supported radical Islam and called for Jihad again the USA.

    Go ahead label me as anti-muslim, I am not anti-muslim except on this issue. Radical Islam has declared war on our nation, so excuse me if I don't embrace them with open arms. The muslims will get their mosque because the constitution guarantees it. And the USA is more tolerant than all Muslim nations. In fact, Bloomberg supports the mosque. Sad that it will be built before the freedom tower.

    The fact remains that before 9-11 american muslims were financing radicals. REMEMBER when the US gov't froze their assets after 9-11, oh you forgot about 9-11, and now you choose to make Islam the victim of 9-11. I am not proud of my position, but radical muslims actions on 9-11, african embassy bombings, beheadings, the USS Cole, etc. have swayed my opinion.
    This is a pretty good explanation of jihad I think: What is Jihad?

    I have a hard time accepting that there are going to be a lot of people using that mosque who have no problem with what happened on 9/11. I think they are going to look up at that empty sky and feel a certain amount of pride about it. I find it hard to truly wrap my head around the concept of the "peaceful" Muslim or at least peaceful Islam. I try to tell myself that I am wrong but with only half success.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Hell yes, radicals in this country financial supported radical Islam and called for Jihad again the USA.
    You used the key word, RADICALS. RADICALS are not a majority in America.

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Go ahead label me as anti-muslim, I am not anti-muslim except on this issue. Radical Islam has declared war on our nation, so excuse me if I don't embrace them with open arms. The muslims will get their mosque because the constitution guarantees it. And the USA is more tolerant than all Muslim nations. In fact, Bloomberg supports the mosque. Sad that it will be built before the freedom tower.
    When you start labeling the majority of American Muslims as terrorist supporters, yes, you are anti-Muslim because the majority of Muslims in American DO NOT support what happened on 9/11. Muslim American families also lost loved ones in 9/11.

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    The fact remains that before 9-11 american muslims were financing radicals. REMEMBER when the US gov't froze their assets after 9-11, oh you forgot about 9-11, and now you choose to make Islam the victim of 9-11. I am not proud of my position, but radical muslims actions on 9-11, african embassy bombings, beheadings, the USS Cole, etc. have swayed my opinion.
    Again, the majority of Muslim Americans did NOT finance terrorists and they did NOT support the attacks on 9/11.

    You are anti-Muslim because you choose to let your hatred for Muslims overwrite the belief in the constitution.

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