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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    This is the stupidest post I have read so far in this thread.
    And there has been ALOT of stupid posts on this topic.

    I just can't ...
    Oh I do love these forums sometimes

    Its nice to know prejudices are still alive even 9 years after an event where apparently all Muslims are being held responsible for it.
    I'm assuming I can now hold all Americans responsible for every death that has occurred. Well great.
    Because Americans have killed way more Muslims than the 3,000 we have apparently all killed.
    It is NOT a stupid post. Pointing out that Muslims expect others to be tolerant towards them when they themselves not only have a long history of intolerance but still practice it is not stupid. It isn't the fault of Christianity that Islam is engaged in a nearly fourteen-century long war against Christians, Christianity, and Christian kingdoms and states...
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    It is NOT a stupid post. Pointing out that Muslims expect others to be tolerant towards them when they themselves not only have a long history of intolerance but still practice it is not stupid. It isn't the fault of Christianity that Islam is engaged in a nearly fourteen-century long war against Christians, Christianity, and Christian kingdoms and states...
    Let's not do the whole Christianity is the oh so poor victim to Muslims aggression because that is just hilarious to the nth degree.

    And here comes the second delusion always wheeled out by Christians.
    That somehow Christianity has always been tolerant.
    I mean, I don't know who whitewashed history but Christians in history have been anything but tolerant.

    Quit acting like Christians have any moral ground to preach at Muslims when it comes to bloodshed and war
    Last edited by Laila; 07-21-10 at 01:51 AM.


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Jetboogieman View Post
    Come on guys, this isn't about Islam vs. Christianity, which is what alot of threads are turning into.

    The issue at hand is the construction of this community centre with a mosque inside.

    The law allows them to build this place without hindrance. Emotions of people says they shouldn't. Public opinion says they shouldn't.

    There's no winning, there will be no compromise here.
    Really? There are no zoning laws in New York?
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    There are many Churches and Synagogues in Muslim countries.
    Some of the oldest in the world are in *shock horror* Muslim countries
    Oldest in the world means squat

    Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert - Adnkronos Religion

    Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert

    While Saudi mediators are working with the Vatican on negotiations to allow places of religious worship, some experts believe it will not occur without this recognition.

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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Tell me, Mister Jetboogieman... Are there any problems building a Christian Cathedral or a Jewish Synagogue in a Muslim nation? When they say no problem, then I won't be able to object to Mosques. When Christian missionaries have free access to preach and proselytize, and converts aren't slaughtered, then I'll consider allowing freedom of religion to include Islam.
    It depends upon the country, but there are many Muslim countries in which you can't or it is very difficult to do so. In Indonesia, you can build a Christian church openly and with relatively little hinderance, but sadly, Indonesia is the exception rather than the rule among prominent Islamic countries...
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Seriously?
    So Non Catholics will be going heaven?
    I had a discussion about this with my priest quite some time ago. Catholic teaching has a place called purgatory. There is a prominent line of Catholic thought in which any and all who earnestly seek the light and will of God will have a chance to be redeemed in Heaven through the sacrifice of Jesus. After all, God loves us so much, why would He exclude so easily and casually 75% of the human population>
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Oldest in the world means squat

    Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert - Adnkronos Religion

    Saudi Arabia: No churches unless prophet Mohammed recognised, says expert
    You attempting to use Saudi Arabia is just amusing.
    Considering it is unique in its harshness of nature as it has the two holy cities in its country and it is just crazy.
    And two, it is Arabs speaking who make up 15% of the Muslim population.

    And well done at ignoring the fact there are Churches in Muslim countries.


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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Let's not do the whole Christianity is the oh so poor victim to Muslims aggression because that is just hilarious to the nth degree.

    And here comes the second delusion always wheeled out by Christians.
    That somehow Christianity has always been tolerant.
    I mean, I don't know who whitewashed history but Christians in history have been anything but tolerant.

    Quit acting like Christians have any moral ground to preach at Muslims when it comes to bloodshed and war
    I never claimed that all Christians have been tolerant at all times in history. And, there are examples of very tolerant Islamic leaders. Saladin and Shah Akbar come to mind. However, I would note that the fourteen centuries of conflict between Christianity and Islam were initiated by Islamic aggression against Christian kingdoms and Christian lands.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I had a discussion about this with my priest quite some time ago. Catholic teaching has a place called purgatory. There is a prominent line of Catholic thought in which any and all who earnestly seek the light and will of God will have a chance to be redeemed in Heaven through the sacrifice of Jesus. After all, God loves us so much, why would He exclude so easily and casually 75% of the human population>
    Awe-some

    No one knows who is going to heaven in Islam 'cause you know we're not God but if a person is good enough to go to heaven but was never exposed to Islam and had not known about it, Allah will show mercy.
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    Re: Landmark commission hearing may determine future of ground zero mosque

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    I never claimed that all Christians have been tolerant at all times in history. And, there are examples of very tolerant Islamic leaders. Saladin and Shah Akbar come to mind. However, I would note that the fourteen centuries of conflict between Christianity and Islam were initiated by Islamic aggression against Christian kingdoms and Christian lands.
    I don't accept that but you can believe that if you want. I don't mind.
    It's not like it is happening now anyway.


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