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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    He can't win them on his own. That's why he left Cleveland. We're going in circles.
    They built the team around him, and when they were getting schooled by players in green who play together as a TEAM, LeBron gave up on his... i am SOOOOO glad LeBron is not going to Boston, that's for sure... he is poison with his poor attitude and his focus on 'me me me me'
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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    They built the team around him,
    This is false. They built a team made up of a single money drawing superstar and 2nd rate supporting cast.

    and when they were getting schooled by players in green who play together as a TEAM,
    You mean a team with more than one reasonably talented player? Something Cleveland is clearly not?

    LeBron gave up on his... i am SOOOOO glad LeBron is not going to Boston, that's for sure... he is poison with his poor attitude and his focus on 'me me me me'
    This is why New Hampshire doesn't have a basketball team.
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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    This is false. They built a team made up of a single money drawing superstar and 2nd rate supporting cast.

    You mean a team with more than one reasonably talented player? Something Cleveland is clearly not?
    None of whom focus on themselves, but rather play TOGETHER. Actually, Cleveland DID have some pretty decent players on the team. Unlike the Celtics, LeBron did not do anything to make them better. Look at how Rajon and others on the supporting cast of the Celtics have IMPROVED due to their association with TEAM players...


    This is why New Hampshire doesn't have a basketball team.
    You mean other than the fact that it is a small state without a large urban center?!?!? You like to make comments that have nothing to do with the topic at hand, but then again, you have repeatedly shown that you not only need geography lessons, but you don't even know what race I am... (not that race is all that important to me -- though it obviously is to YOU)
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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    None of whom focus on themselves, but rather play TOGETHER. Actually, Cleveland DID have some pretty decent players on the team. Unlike the Celtics, LeBron did not do anything to make them better. Look at how Rajon and others on the supporting cast of the Celtics have IMPROVED due to their association with TEAM players...
    LeBron's supporting cast was very on off. Mo Williams was only other player that really did anything much and he was very hot/cold. I think the move for him was a good one, Cav's GM went after him during the playoffs for not playing at his fullest during the Celtics series. How much of this was because of his injury is unknown. And Rondo didn't only get better because of players like Allen, Pierce, and KG, but also because he would take those difficult shots at least 100 times a day. I do think with LeBron's move he won't be seen as great as a Jordan because Jordan won with similar team that LeBron had in the Cavs.

    That said as a diehard Celtics fan I am really looking forward to this Miami team. If they can gel and get a decent team together they should be really fun to watch.

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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    What was funny was that when said supporting cast helped him get to 60+ wins and go into the playoffs prior to losing to Boston I seemed to remember many in the media saying how cleveland may be the deepest and most talented team in the league.

    Then when they got bounced after LeBron had some abysmal games it became Lebron had no one around him.

    MJ definitely had his wingman in Pippen. However Pippen came to MJ's team, MJ's town, and assisted MJ and shown himself never to get to the top without him despite still playing in his prime for portions of it.

    LeBron is going to WADE'S team, in WADE's town, where Wade already has won a championship as the main star and has shown himself to be able to get to the top. Along with that he's not just with Wade but with another arguable top 10 player in the league.

    Not to mention part of the mystique that is Michael is the clutchness, the winning edge, and that's going to be going to Wade in Miami not Lebron.

    That said, while HOW he decided it, HOW he treated Cleveland in deciding it, HOW he announced it, etc was horrible his decision was a good one if winning is more important to him then being "the best ever". If he wins with this team he will not be in the Michael realm because he has a top 5 player in the league and a top 10 to 15 player in the league on the team with him, and he's not even the "Face" of that team. The "Face" is a man who for every ring they win will have more than LeBron. In Miami LeBron can assure himself a spot amongst "The greats", but its not going to be a spot amongst "The greatest"

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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    What was funny was that when said supporting cast helped him get to 60+ wins and go into the playoffs prior to losing to Boston I seemed to remember many in the media saying how cleveland may be the deepest and most talented team in the league.

    Then when they got bounced after LeBron had some abysmal games it became Lebron had no one around him.
    I found that funny too. The Cavs actually got deeper when Shaq got healthy, it just seemed like the didn't play well if LeBron didn't play well. That is why I always laughed at them being the deepest team in the NBA. In my mind the team that was the deepest was either Magic or LA.

    MJ definitely had his wingman in Pippen. However Pippen came to MJ's team, MJ's town, and assisted MJ and shown himself never to get to the top without him despite still playing in his prime for portions of it.

    LeBron is going to WADE'S team, in WADE's town, where Wade already has won a championship as the main star and has shown himself to be able to get to the top. Along with that he's not just with Wade but with another arguable top 10 player in the league.

    Not to mention part of the mystique that is Michael is the clutchness, the winning edge, and that's going to be going to Wade in Miami not Lebron.
    I think LeBron is going to have a hard time with this at first. As well as D. Wade. Both are use to being the main center of attention and now they won't be. Miami has a new Big Three and the success of that team will depend on how well D. Wade, Bosh, and The King can gel.

    That said, while HOW he decided it, HOW he treated Cleveland in deciding it, HOW he announced it, etc was horrible his decision was a good one if winning is more important to him then being "the best ever". If he wins with this team he will not be in the Michael realm because he has a top 5 player in the league and a top 10 to 15 player in the league on the team with him, and he's not even the "Face" of that team. The "Face" is a man who for every ring they win will have more than LeBron. In Miami LeBron can assure himself a spot amongst "The greats", but its not going to be a spot amongst "The greatest"
    Yeah it was pretty classless how that all went down. The blame is shared though between LeBron for letting it go down that way and ESPN giving him an hour show about it. I mean really he didn't need an hour for that. I don't think anyone will take the greatest title from Jordan. Kobe has a chance, but the Lakers have such a good team that I don't see him taking it from Jordan. Now if the Lakers were more like Jordan's Bulls then I would think Kobe would take the title from him. No doubt in my mind though that Kobe will end up in the top 5, where LeBron will now end up in the top 10.

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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post

    That said as a diehard Celtics fan I am really looking forward to this Miami team. If they can gel and get a decent team together they should be really fun to watch.
    Funny you said that, because I think I finally have a team that if they happened to play the Fakers in the final, I might actually root for the boys from La La land, and I NEVER thought I would ever say that...
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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    IMO, LeBron James' television spectacle was in bad taste, though like any other player his choice to take advantage of free agency to join another team should not be questioned. He is not the first star to switch teams. He most certainly won't be the last.

    Whether or not the nucleus of players on Miami will lead to championships remains to be seen. Teamwork is crucial. Teams that come together and play with synergy can beat those that are little more than collections of stars. So, time will tell. My guess is that given Wade's, Bosh's, and James' ability to play together during the Olympics, the nucleus should gel and Miami should be a contender.

    The Cavaliers' owner's rant was unprofessional, childish, and highly immature. During the weeks leading up to LeBron James' announcement, did he sign any strong players who could have made it more enticing for James to remain in Cleveland? No.

    Jesse Jackson's characterization of the Cavs' owner's immature remarks is far off base.

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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    Quote Originally Posted by soccerboy22 View Post
    Yeah it was pretty classless how that all went down. The blame is shared though between LeBron for letting it go down that way and ESPN giving him an hour show about it. I mean really he didn't need an hour for that. I don't think anyone will take the greatest title from Jordan. Kobe has a chance, but the Lakers have such a good team that I don't see him taking it from Jordan. Now if the Lakers were more like Jordan's Bulls then I would think Kobe would take the title from him. No doubt in my mind though that Kobe will end up in the top 5, where LeBron will now end up in the top 10.
    Honestly, Jordan's Bulls weren't bad. He had Pippen in both iterations of it. Toni Kukoč was an excellent 6th man that was there for a good bit. Grant in the first 3 and Rodman in the second 3 were both above average to good players as well. Both teams had one of the better 3 point specialists in the league (Paxton and Kerr). Both managed to have servicable big men in the middle. Both had a compotent role playing point (Armstrong and Harper). They weren't "bad" teams, or average teams, they were what you generally find with championship teams. One or two Stars, one to two good secondary/6th man type players, and a bunch of good roleplayers.

    The problem with Kobe is less about the teams he's won it with, though having 3 of those rings as the #2 guy on the team rather than #1 does hurt him. The problem with Kobe compared to MJ is the personal acolades and the failures. He's lost 2 finals already. He's not near MJ in terms of scoring titles, MVP's, final's MVP's, Defensive MVP's or Defensive First Teams. Not to mention that while Kobe could end up with more rings it'll be in more years than Jordan was playing thanks to the age of high school players and 1's and dones. Kobe is in that echelon of "great" players and could very well be in the realm of "some of the greatest ever". But I don't think he's goin to be able to touch Jordan.

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    Re: Cavs owner defends stance on LeBron

    I gotta say, I gained as much respect for Kevin Durant during this time as I lost for LeBron with how Durant handled things.

    The owner of the cavs is an idiot for doing what he did, as he essentially gave LeBron a scapegoat for the hatred that was going to be coming down on him.

    Jesse Jackson is an idiot.

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