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    Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    The White House's official policy of banning the word "Islam" in describing America's terrorist enemies is in direct conflict with the U.S. military's war-fighting doctrine now guiding commanders in Iraq and Afghanistan.

    John O. Brennan, President Obama's chief national security adviser for counterterrorism, delivered a major policy address on defining the enemy. He laid out the White House policy of detaching any reference to Islam when referring to terrorists, be it al Qaeda, the Taliban or any other group.

    But Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the man tapped by Mr. Obama as the new top commander in Afghanistan, led the production of an extensive counterinsurgency manual in December 2006 that does, in fact, tell commanders of a link between Islam and extremists.
    Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam' - Washington Times

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    We should recognize them for what they are, extremist Muslims. If the White House does anything, it should be to distinguish between extremist Muslims and those who are not extremist. We should cover up who our enemy is in order to fear offending those what want to deny that extremists in Islam exist, or that they use their religion to justify atrocities and recruit members. Obama is acting foolishly on this and is interjecting his political correctness crap into the military.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Is there an General that isnt at odds with the dictator Obama?

    Maybe Obummer should fire Petrraus too & hire a crony from his administration to run the war.

    Or.....perhaps Obummer should have a purge of the officer corps similiar to his idealogical idol (Stalin) so Obamas officers are all idealogically goose stepping in unison together.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    This is a nonstory, completely and utterly. We're talking about public relations on the one hand, and Obama's sound policy of not describing the United States in terms that could be misunderstood to characterize the war as a war against the Islamic religion generally. On the other hand, the Petraeus COIN manual is a document that must talk frankly about the relationship between insurgents and certain radical Islamic groups. These two policies are not at odds. Obama's policy is sound because use of phrases like "Islamic extremists" to describe terrorists or insurgents legitimizes and creates the impression that the United States is somehow at war with Islam. As much as some xenophobes might like that idea, it is antithetical to the COIN goal of winning hearts and minds.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by Guy Incognito View Post
    This is a nonstory, completely and utterly. We're talking about public relations on the one hand, and Obama's sound policy of not describing the United States in terms that could be misunderstood to characterize the war as a war against the Islamic religion generally. On the other hand, the Petraeus COIN manual is a document that must talk frankly about the relationship between insurgents and certain radical Islamic groups. These two policies are not at odds. Obama's policy is sound because use of phrases like "Islamic extremists" to describe terrorists or insurgents legitimizes and creates the impression that the United States is somehow at war with Islam. As much as some xenophobes might like that idea, it is antithetical to the COIN goal of winning hearts and minds.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Touchy Feely PR doesn't do diddly squat.
    You don't really understand COIN and why it works so well, do you? "Touchy feely" PR isn't what we're talking about here. We're talking about giving the enemy ammunition to recruit with, which is precisely what happens when you frame the conflict as against "Islamic extremists." That makes it look like we are fighting Islam, rather than fighting criminals and insurgents who cloak their agendas in the Islamic religion. It is imperative to frame it in a way does not alienate Muslims, that is just playing right into the hands of the extremists. If you make it us versus them you've already lost.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Touchy Feely PR doesn't do diddly squat.
    Then you are at odds with Petraeus'a COIN
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    This makes perfect sense to me, from the OP link:
    Mr. Brennan on May 26 told an audience at the Center for Strategic and International Studies that "describing our enemy in religious terms would lend credence to the lie propagated by al Qaeda and its affiliates to justify terrorism, that the United States is somehow at war against Islam. The reality, of course, is that we have never been and will never be at war with Islam. After all, Islam, like so many faiths, is part of America."

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    This makes perfect sense to me, from the OP link:
    Thing is, conservatives actually see it as a war against Islam. Hence the disgruntlement.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam' - Washington Times

    We can clearly see the difference between those that are serious about confronting the enemy, and defeating the enemy, and those that live in an academic bubble of fantasy.
    Nothing fantasy about it. The use of Islam in their terrorists activist is little more then a motivational tool to convert the ignorant. What we have is politically driven terrorist leaders using individuals religion to carry out their political objectives (You must do X if you want to go to "heaven"). I wonder how many were killed on the spot for saying No.

    We should not limit our scope of current terrorist or potential terrorist to Islam.
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