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Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

The most recent example you could point to would be that ****head Phelps. He has his little fanatic church that follows him. No one else. There aren't little Phelp churches spring up all around and he is opposed by Christians at everyone of his anti-gay rallies or when he decides to descrate some soldier's funeral.

Pat Robertson? Now you're really reaching. He doesn't represent a large segment of Christianity, let alone a majority. And no one has committed a murder or other act of violence because of his citation of an Old Testament command as justification. And before you bring up the nutcases that have bombed abortion clinics, they have been condemned by most Christians and Christian leaders (99%+ ?), and have been tracked down, captured and prosecuted by people who (most probably) are Christian.

These radicals muslims that perform violent acts don't represent a large majority either of Islam either. Like Phelps and Robertson, they are radicals.
 
Both have violent passages and both can be exploited for political gain, as history shows. To me it doesn't matter if one has 100 passages and another has 500. Both can be used to justify killing one in the right hands.

Actually it does matter if you are trying to equate the two.

Now answer the question.
 
Wait? And Americans can? :lol:

Yep you're right

(Reuters) - About one-quarter of young American Muslims believe to some extent that suicide bombings can be justified to defend Islam...

the community also contains pockets of support for Islamist militancy among Muslims aged 18-30 and black Muslims, the survey showed.


Thanks for reminding me

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN2244293620070522
 
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Is this some move to say something completely unrelated to throw me off? It certainly has me confused.

A) "To some extent" (I cited earlier on that almost all suicide bombings btwn 80 and 04 were in response to foreign occupation). That may include 'slightly'.
B) More Americans than muslims as a whole believe attacks on civilians are completely justified. Meet the mirror.
C) "Whole pockets" of support!

In conclusion. All muslims are bad mmk?
 
Is this some move to say something completely unrelated to throw me off? It certainly has me confused.

A) "To some extent" (I cited earlier on that almost all suicide bombings btwn 80 and 04 were in response to foreign occupation). That may include 'slightly'.

Of which you provided ZERO proof to that claim.

B) More Americans than muslims as a whole believe attacks on civilians are completely justified. Meet the mirror.
C) "Whole pockets" of support!

In conclusion. All muslims are bad mmk?
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As usual that makes no sense and of course you fail to back any of it up.

Come back when you can cite some facts. Until then don't waste our time.
 
Of course it conflicts with biblical values. Just take a look at the 10 commandments and see which ones are u.s. Law. We are not a theocracy.

As for the bible being history, that is laughable at best.

Lmao...It would be almost impossible for the Judeo-Christian values to NOT be a part of our foundation. North America was settled by predominantly Europeans. There was no other religion in Europe throughout that time. The beliefs of slaves or Natives did not play a part in the thinking of European settlers. So there was either Protestant denominations, Catholic, Jewish, or agnostic/atheist.

And to break it up in little pieces....like a cookie for you

The majority ethnic European groups were English, Scots, Irish, German, Dutch, French and Spanish. Most of the Irish and all of the Spanish were Catholic. English were mixed, but primarily Protestant. Germans were mixed, Catholic and Lutheran. Dutch were mostly Protestant, etx, etc....all in some degree or another were a product of a Christian society.

It is impossible to say that our foundations were not Judeo-Christian when that was the only culture known to most of the 13 Colonies.

You continue to show ignorance.
 
Lmao...It would be almost impossible for the Judeo-Christian values to NOT be a part of our foundation. North America was settled by predominantly Europeans. There was no other religion in Europe throughout that time. The beliefs of slaves or Natives did not play a part in the thinking of European settlers. So there was either Protestant denominations, Catholic, Jewish, or agnostic/atheist.

And to break it up in little pieces....like a cookie for you

The majority ethnic European groups were English, Scots, Irish, German, Dutch, French and Spanish. Most of the Irish and all of the Spanish were Catholic. English were mixed, but primarily Protestant. Germans were mixed, Catholic and Lutheran. Dutch were mostly Protestant, etx, etc....all in some degree or another were a product of a Christian society.

It is impossible to say that our foundations were not Judeo-Christian when that was the only culture known to most of the 13 Colonies.

You continue to show ignorance.

You asked

See, if it conflicts with the Biblical values or does it incorporate them

Yes or no

And YES, the consitution DOES conflict with BIBLICAL values because we don't follow the 10 commandments as LAW. So again, once your ignorance stops shining through, you might want to actually READ what YOU wrote.
 
You asked



And YES, the consitution DOES conflict with BIBLICAL values because we don't follow the 10 commandments as LAW. So again, once your ignorance stops shining through, you might want to actually READ what YOU wrote.

He said PART not ALL. Learn how to read carefully and you might want to actually think next time before calling someone ignorant after dropping that goose egg
 
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These radicals muslims that perform violent acts don't represent a large majority either of Islam either. Like Phelps and Robertson, they are radicals.

You, apparently do not see the difference

Let us say it's only 5% creating terror. Out of 1.2 billion muslims, 5% is 60,000,000. You're telling me that a little over 1.1 billion people cannot control a mere 60,000,000? You're telling me that you cannot do a bloody ****ing thing to control and/or destroy a mere 60 million people that are supposedly corrupting and giving your "beautiful, peaceful" religion a bad name?

If you cannot do something as simple as condemn this supposed minority, then you do not deserve understanding. You don't condemn, then in my mind you are just as guilty. Until we hear some kind of universal condemnation of this "minority", you will get no sympathy or understanding from us.
 
You, apparently do not see the difference

Let us say it's only 5% creating terror. Out of 1.2 billion muslims, 5% is 60,000,000. You're telling me that a little over 1.1 billion people cannot control a mere 60,000,000? You're telling me that you cannot do a bloody ****ing thing to control and/or destroy a mere 60 million people that are supposedly corrupting and giving your "beautiful, peaceful" religion a bad name?

If you cannot do something as simple as condemn this supposed minority, then you do not deserve understanding. You don't condemn, then in my mind you are just as guilty. Until we hear some kind of universal condemnation of this "minority", you will get no sympathy or understanding from us.

Many of these people are living in countries where these radicals CONTROL the country and simply talking bad about them can wind you and your family up DEAD.

It's not a matter of if they want to speak out, they can't.
 
Many of these people are living in countries where these radicals CONTROL the country and simply talking bad about them can wind you and your family up DEAD.

It's not a matter of if they want to speak out, they can't.

LOL checkmate
 
LOL checkmate

Hardly, my point has been that the problem is with dictatorships, tyrannies, and theocracies, not with the Religion. People did similiar things with Christianity in the past. Checkmate called prematurely there bucko. Do you by chance shoot anything else off prematurely as well?
 
Many of these people are living in countries where these radicals CONTROL the country and simply talking bad about them can wind you and your family up DEAD.

It's not a matter of if they want to speak out, they can't.

Checkmate is right. You just made our point.

Thanks for playing.


And your last sentence about "wanting" to speak out but "can't" is pure fantasy that you cannot support with facts.
 
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And YES, the consitution DOES conflict with BIBLICAL values because we don't follow the 10 commandments as LAW. So again, once your ignorance stops shining through, you might want to actually READ what YOU wrote.

Christianity was an essential foundation for their morality, and is referenced frequently throughout American customs and verbage and the original definition of American values were derived from the initial Christian ethos

yes or no
 
And your last sentence about "wanting" to speak out but "can't" is pure fantasy that you cannot support with facts.

REALLY? So if the government has guns, missles, an army and you have a handgun you are going to risk your families life? I think not. Nice try, but keep on trucking if you believe that one.
 
Christianity was an essential foundation for their morality, and is referenced frequently throughout American customs and verbage and the original definition of American values were derived from the initial Christian ethos

yes or no

Many of the morals we have are shared by OTHER religions as well. So you can pretend that Christianity holds the patent on those values, but it doesn't.
 
When read in its entirety with an acknowledgment of the whole, yes. However, that doesn't change the fact that lifted and standing alone, several passages make it look like Christians should be violent.

Do you think Christianity has evolved past its violent years, and has learned to coexist with others? Yes or no

Do you think Islam has refused to take such steps, and has remained in its violent and pre-medieval states, by and large? Yes or no

Be honest
 
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Do you think Christianity evolved past its violent years, and has learned to coexist with others? Yes or no

I think PEOPLE that follow Christiniaty have evolved past THEIR violent years yes. The bible and religion have been the same. Just the people have been different.

Do you think Islam has refused to take such steps, and has remained in its violent and pre-medieval states, by and large? Yes or no

Be honest

I think some of the PEOPLE that follow Islam have refused to take such steps and yes, they are violent. However, the Koran and the religion have remained the same, just the people are different.

I think you would see a definite change in the people that followed Islam if they were allowed to thrive in their country free of dicateors, theocracies, and tyrannies as well. I still maintain that it isn't the religion that is the problem, it is the people that hold power through dicatorships, tyrannies, and theocracies over others and abuse the religion that is the problem.
 
LOL checkmate

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Do you think Christianity has evolved past its violent years, and has learned to coexist with others? Yes or no

Didn't I already make that clear? Yes or no

Do you think Islam has refused to take such steps, and has remained in its violent and pre-medieval states, by and large? Yes or no

Didn't I already make that answer clear, too? Yes or no

Be honest

I don't know if we're talking past each other or if the forum has a glitch and posts everything I write to you in some obscure language but...let me repeat one more time:

Islam is where Christianity used to be back in the dark ages. The majority of Islamic people are moving forward. However, the middle east with its tribal culture is, by and large, still focusing on using Islam brutally to maintain power.
 
REALLY? So if the government has guns, missles, an army and you have a handgun you are going to risk your families life? I think not. Nice try, but keep on trucking if you believe that one.

So you still can't prove your bs claim.

Got it.
 
So you still can't prove your bs claim.

Got it.

It's not a BS claim, but to an extreme Muslim hater such as yourself I guess it is.

Do you have proof that the majority of Muslims condone violence towards non-Muslims? And BTW silence does not equal condone.
 
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It's not a BS claim, but to an extreme Muslim hater such as yourself I guess it is.

Do you have proof that the majority of Muslims condone violence towards non-Muslims? And BTW silence does not equal condone.

Its easier to name call than it is to support you fantasy claims isn't it?

Next time just don't make the claim at all.
 
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