Indeed, don't you just hate the ignorant
No. I pity them.
Whoever does righteous acts, whether male or female, while he is a believer, verily, to him We will give a good life, and We shall pay them certainly a reward in proportion to the best of what they used to do.
O you who believe! There is no permission for you to inherit women by force. Nor may you treat them harshly, so that you can make off with part of what you have given them, unless they commit an act of flagrant indecency. Live together with them correctly and courteously.
How does that excuse the passage I quoted? And where is your chapter and verse? What you just quoted is about accepting faith not equality.
Nice try.
We can play this game all morning
LOL You're off to a rough start.
The woman's testimony is equal to the man's testimony except in one case only, the financial transactions.
Such fantasy. How do you keep them straight? How many witnesses must a woman have against man who raped her? Please, enlighten us
There is only one verse in the Qur’ân, that says two female witnesses are equal to one male witness. This verse is Surah Baqarah.
The full and not cut and paste version of 2:282:
[ 2:282] O you who believe, when you transact a loan for any period, you shall write it down. An impartial scribe shall do the writing. Two men shall serve as witnesses; if not two men, then a man and two women whose testimony is acceptable to all. Thus, if one woman becomes biased, the other will remind her. It is the obligation of the witnesses to testify when called upon to do so.
Again, that changes nothing about what the quote actually says. You only made it longer, you never changed the meaning behind it.
I am enjoying the fact you are trying to separate the attacks against women's equality by catagorizing the different levels of keeping women inferior.
It doesn’t say women are stupid or can’t be trusted, but instead states that if two men are not present to witness a transaction then have two women as well.
To understand the verse, which I doubt many Non Muslims attempt to learn one must understand the context it was written in. In Islam especially in the period of Prophet Mohammed's men were expected to be the breadwinners, financial responsibility was and to a great extent is STILL shouldered by the men.
Yes yes its all the misunderstandings of Non Muslims. We certainly don't see the subjugation of women in muslim dominated countries do we? lol
Funny how you forgot about this little gem when it comes to witnesses against a rape.
Bukhari (5:59:462)
Why don't you explain how women need 4 male witnesses or she will be punished for charging rape against a man. Go ahead, this should be entertaining.
This does not mean Muslim men see women as lesser, but is a reflection of the different roles of men and women in a society envisaged by Islam.
Of course it does. If you see women as needing to double their numbers just for bearing witness or needing 4 men to bare witness to a rape before it can be called such you are absolutley looking down at women.
But there are plenty other examples.
"Prophet! Tell your wives and daughters and all Muslim women to draw cloaks and veils all over their bodies (screening themselves completely except for one or two eyes to see the way). That will be better." 33:59
"If any of your women are guilty of lewdness, take the evidence of four witnesses from amongst you against them; if they testify, confine them to houses until death [by starvation] claims them." 4:15
And this doesn't even approach why in Islam only men can marry multiple women. Women cannot do the same.
You want to keep this up go right ahead. I've got plenty more
That is not the full translation. Good god.
And what is the problem with polygamy? This is a non issue. I could care less if a Muslim man has 10 wives.
Thank for you being so transparent.
Inside Islam, all wives must be treated fairly and the permission must be sought before he marries another not to mention the poor bugger has the problem of looking after all of them and providing for all of his children. Sounds more like punishment than reward to me but I digress.
Islam allows polygamy in circumstances, once again people must look at the historical context. This was at a period of alot of wars for Muslims where women were often left to raise a child. Muslim men were encouraged to marry and hence protect said females and children even if they were not his own children.
But women can't have multiple husbands can they? Your own inability to see the sexism in that practce speaks volumes.
This stems from the battle of Uhud where Muslims lost badly against the Pagans and unfortunately suffered a dramatic decrease in the number of Muslim men, this left many widows. See point above. Not to mention the decrease of Muslim men was renforced when Muslims faced battle of the Trench against the Pagans in Mecca and along with the Jews and Christians who wanted to finish Islam off.
And how many hundreds of years ago was that if it is an excuse? Are you saying Islam is incapable of evolving because I'm right with you there.
My point is there was a shortage of men and too many women, the holy Quran had a solution for the problem and I see no problem with the logic of Prophet Mohammed (MPBUH)
No of course you wouldn't because you never considered the women's point of view.
But going off topic again, the bottom line is polygamy was not encouraged but rather a solution to a problem facing Muslims who were a minority at the time of the Qu’rans introduction. The Qu’ran states be fair to your wives or do not get married.
Again even if we were to believe that fantasy it was over 1000 years ago and the practice to devalue women is still strong today.
Oh and other exceptions to allow polygamy is if a woman is barren and husband wants a child but does not wish to divorce her or if the wife is ill and can not look after children and fulfil any of her duties etc.[/quote]
LOL So a woman isn't useful in Islam if she can't bare children so the husband should be free to marry others. Thanks again for showing your true colors.
Not the full verse AGAIN.
"Allah enjoins you about [the share of inheritance of] your children: A male's share shall equal that of two females -- in case there are only daughters, more than two shall have two-thirds of what has been left behind. And if there be only one daughter, her share shall be half -- and if the deceased has children, the parents shall inherit a sixth each, and if he has no children and the parents are his heirs then his mother shall receive a third, and if he has brothers and sisters then the mother's share is the same one-sixth. [These shares shall be distributed] after carrying out any will made by the deceased or payment of any debt owed by him (the deceased). You know not who among your children and your parents are nearest to you in benefit. This is the law of Allah. Indeed Allah is wise, all knowing."
Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more than the other and because men support them from their means." [Quran 4:34]
And AGAIN the longer quote doesn't negate the point the passage is waiting.
In Islam it is a man's duty to support his wife, and not the reverse. Islam acknowledges Men and Women are different both physically and emotionally. This does not mean that women are inferior. I’ll get onto why this matters in terms of inheritance later on.
If that were true then women would have equal rights in Muslim dominated countries and they do not by a huge margin so your theory fails in reality not to mention what the Qur'an actually says how women should be treated as I have demonstrated.
The Qu’rans view on men being “protectors” of Women means that it influences inheritance laws as they are proportional to the duties of the individuals. A Muslim man in Islam has to take charge of supporting his family, his brother's children if his brother dies, his parents when they of course retire and no longer have an income of their own and any children he may have from a previous marriage and his household which would include his wife (or wives)
Again how many times are you going to completly miss the point that everything you are saying has the man in charge and women subservient to him?
A Muslim women however has none of these responsibilities so it makes sense the Man inherits more money if he is the one who gets the burden of responsibility that comes with it.
So you take responsibilty away from a woman which is laughable onto itself then its ok to treat them as second class?
The issue is your complete lack of understanding how sexist your views and the views of the Qur'an truely are. You have no problem with pologamy as long as its the man marrying multiple women. You then dismiss the sexism directed at women by Islam and counter that they lack responsibility so its acceptable.
But I do thank you for being so honest. Its rare to see someone defending Islam in a forum so open with their sexism.
I lived in a Muslim dominated society where the population of Muslims were 99%
And it shows. In spades.
