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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    Just curious SE102 how many Muslim countries have you been to. I have been to more than a couple and I can say that I dont know where you get that almost all Muslim women think Islam is their path to freedom. And most of the ones who do have been pretty much brainwashed into beliveing what ever they are told. Now I know that this is not true for a lot of Muslim counties but to sit there and pretend that mistreatment of women is not a huge problem in lots of Muslim run areas is putting your head in the sand.
    Oh it certainly is true in places such as Iran and Saudi Arabia. I only know that only a fraction of muslim women feel themselves opressed. Also women freely move from those countries to ours and STILL wear their garb and burqas, freely. Some women see the burqa as a mask of anonymity and some sort of protection... hrrm thats not the right word. But something of the sort.

    Sure islam has problems. Most americans seem to just inflame normal muslims. They are pretty tolerant considering what theyve been through. You know... centuries of colonialism and whatnot. Dont really know. I do know that alot of people around here don't seem to know much about it. Im reading some books on islam now. :shakes fist: daggumn books!

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Wow such delightful fantasy. Where did you receive such false information?
    An evil college class on the history of islam.

    I lvoe the taken out of context line. Almost always a sure sign of a defeated opponent.
    Sizing up my opponent I can tell he doesn't know what he's talking about. I may decide to engage you later when we've studied some quranic verse in class, weve been through a couple.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    An evil college class on the history of islam.
    Can you name anything that supports that fantasy? I mean I've heard some whoppers about Islam but that one takes the cake.

    Sizing up my opponent I can tell he doesn't know what he's talking about. I may decide to engage you later when we've studied some quranic verse in class, weve been through a couple.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Well as for the fantasy...

    Take womens conditions before and after Muhammad's movement, and particularly the conditions of the women who converted.

    As for fighting you on islam. Well... My time in my class on Islam has certianly taught me enough that I know youre wrong and I never post anything that I dont know what Im talking about on (or I try not to, it creates problems). But I defer so it wont turn into a pooping fest. Some other time rlly.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How many countries dominated by Islam have religous freedom? How many? I can only think of one.
    Burkina Faso
    Gambia
    Guinea
    Mali
    Senegal
    Chad
    Djibouti
    Indonesia
    Kazakhstan
    Kyrgyzstan
    Northern Cyprus
    Tajikstan
    Turkmenistan
    Uzbekistan
    Albania
    Azerbaijan
    Bosnia and Herzegovina
    Kosovo
    Turkey
    Algeria
    Bangladesh
    Egypt
    Iraq
    Kuwait
    Libya
    Malaysia
    Maldives
    Morocco
    Qatar
    Tunisia
    United Arab Emirates

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by SE102 View Post
    Oh it certainly is true in places such as Iran and Saudi Arabia. I only know that only a fraction of muslim women feel themselves opressed. Also women freely move from those countries to ours and STILL wear their garb and burqas, freely. Some women see the burqa as a mask of anonymity and some sort of protection... hrrm thats not the right word. But something of the sort.

    Sure islam has problems. Most americans seem to just inflame normal muslims. They are pretty tolerant considering what theyve been through. You know... centuries of colonialism and whatnot. Dont really know. I do know that alot of people around here don't seem to know much about it. Im reading some books on islam now. :shakes fist: daggumn books!
    I hate to tell u this but it is that way in way more counties than those two. Go to Iraq Yeman Astan parts of the Phillippines Bangladesh parts of maylasia and Indonesia many places in Africa and others. What's even worse is u have some Muslims doing that same behavior in nonmuslim areas such as here in the US and Canada. And unlike u my knowledge dosent come only from books but being over thier and seeing it.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    This whole story is positively ridiculous. There is only a benefit in separating, with our rhetoric, the extremist bungholes that hijack a beautiful faith from their peaceful counterparts. This idea that we are at war with all of Islam is dangerous an moronic. History shows that a "war with Islam" bankrupts nations, builds enmity between regions, and results in Christians running forth from the holy land with their asses handed to them.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    What is it with non stories like this making the news?


    But to prove Se point


    Sharia law: A brief introduction

    Perhaps the two greatest original founders of Sharia law were Malik ibn Anas and Ibn al-Shaf'i. Anas established the Maliki school of jurisprudence. Al-Shaf'i was one of Anas' students; he disagreed with his teacher about the reliability of the hadith. He felt that it was necessary to trace each hadith from the time of Muhammad through its chain of devout Muslims. This concern led to Islamic scholars considering "... which hadith were true and which were not." Needless to say this led to conflicts among scholars as to the proper application of Sharia law.

    Ibn al-Shafi'i promoted the use of additional sources for Shari'a law:
    bullet The technique of "... reasoning by analogy in order to develop new laws from existing laws." As the culture evolves, new types of problems emerge that need to be dealt with. Pre-implantation Genetic Diagnosis (PGD) used to prevent the development of a severely defective human embryo is one example.
    bullet The technique of accepting the consensus of a Muslim community. The reasoning is that Allah would not allow an entire community to be in error on a basic Islamic principle.

    There are four main schools of Sharia law:
    bullet Hanbali: This is the most conservative school of Shari'a. It is used in Saudi Arabia and some states in Northern Nigeria.
    bullet Hanifi: This is the most liberal school, and is relatively open to modern ideas.

    bullet Maliki: This is based on the practices of the people of Medina during Muhammad's lifetime.
    bullet Shafi'i: This is a conservative school that emphasizes on the opinions of the companions of the Prophet Muhammad.

    What applies within one school of Sharia law does not necessarily apply in the other schools. For example, the Maliki Law School accepts evidence of pregnancy as proof that an unmarried woman has either committed adultery or been raped. The other schools "... do not recognize evidence of pregnancy as proof of Zina [Adultery]." 3
    And also a little bit of reading about Sharia Law

    A woman who had been convicted of Adultery would be wiped along with the man thought at least its not stoning like in the Christan- Judaic religion, and that is only the woman as well..

    There are three type of Sharia Law which are Ultra conservative( Iran) Conservative( Turkey) and Liberal (Pakistan, and western worlds)

    The ultra conservative are the ones that are thrashing the religious texts of many different religious Text to meat their agenda which is usually not good.

    And on woman rights actually read somethings before make stupid claims.
    Woman Rights in Islam which we hardly got in the Christan -Judaic religion. The Qur'an saw people as equals.

    For more reading
    Kuwaiti women gain right to vote," Muslim Public Affairs Council, 2005-MAY-24, news release.
    Let see the difference in Christianity, and Islam which their are none

    the beliefs between Christianity, and Islam
    I love how Islam views babies as being born pure. While the Christan beliefs say they have an sin nature.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Wow such delightful fantasy. Where did you receive such false information?
    Under Prophet Mohammed's teaching, Muslim women were granted the right to own, inherit and dispose of their own property, obtain an education women were amongst the first followers and teachers of Islam.
    "Treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers."

    But if you want to believe all Muslim women are somehow beaten daily and are an oppressed, weak demographic your problem

    Oh and on topic, I see no problem with what Obama is trying to do.
    US is not at war with Islam no matter how much people wish it was.
    Last edited by Laila; 07-13-10 at 12:35 AM.


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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by braindrain View Post
    I hate to tell u this but it is that way in way more counties than those two. Go to Iraq Yeman Astan parts of the Phillippines Bangladesh parts of maylasia and Indonesia many places in Africa and others. What's even worse is u have some Muslims doing that same behavior in nonmuslim areas such as here in the US and Canada. And unlike u my knowledge dosent come only from books but being over thier and seeing it.
    Uzbekistan and Kazakhstan were nice to their women

    So were women being beaten in the street or what?

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