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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    These radicals muslims that perform violent acts don't represent a large majority either of Islam either. Like Phelps and Robertson, they are radicals.
    You, apparently do not see the difference

    Let us say it's only 5% creating terror. Out of 1.2 billion muslims, 5% is 60,000,000. You're telling me that a little over 1.1 billion people cannot control a mere 60,000,000? You're telling me that you cannot do a bloody ****ing thing to control and/or destroy a mere 60 million people that are supposedly corrupting and giving your "beautiful, peaceful" religion a bad name?

    If you cannot do something as simple as condemn this supposed minority, then you do not deserve understanding. You don't condemn, then in my mind you are just as guilty. Until we hear some kind of universal condemnation of this "minority", you will get no sympathy or understanding from us.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You, apparently do not see the difference

    Let us say it's only 5% creating terror. Out of 1.2 billion muslims, 5% is 60,000,000. You're telling me that a little over 1.1 billion people cannot control a mere 60,000,000? You're telling me that you cannot do a bloody ****ing thing to control and/or destroy a mere 60 million people that are supposedly corrupting and giving your "beautiful, peaceful" religion a bad name?

    If you cannot do something as simple as condemn this supposed minority, then you do not deserve understanding. You don't condemn, then in my mind you are just as guilty. Until we hear some kind of universal condemnation of this "minority", you will get no sympathy or understanding from us.
    Many of these people are living in countries where these radicals CONTROL the country and simply talking bad about them can wind you and your family up DEAD.

    It's not a matter of if they want to speak out, they can't.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Many of these people are living in countries where these radicals CONTROL the country and simply talking bad about them can wind you and your family up DEAD.

    It's not a matter of if they want to speak out, they can't.
    LOL checkmate

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    LOL checkmate
    Hardly, my point has been that the problem is with dictatorships, tyrannies, and theocracies, not with the Religion. People did similiar things with Christianity in the past. Checkmate called prematurely there bucko. Do you by chance shoot anything else off prematurely as well?

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    Many of these people are living in countries where these radicals CONTROL the country and simply talking bad about them can wind you and your family up DEAD.

    It's not a matter of if they want to speak out, they can't.
    Checkmate is right. You just made our point.

    Thanks for playing.


    And your last sentence about "wanting" to speak out but "can't" is pure fantasy that you cannot support with facts.
    Last edited by texmaster; 07-14-10 at 06:32 PM.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post



    And YES, the consitution DOES conflict with BIBLICAL values because we don't follow the 10 commandments as LAW. So again, once your ignorance stops shining through, you might want to actually READ what YOU wrote.
    Christianity was an essential foundation for their morality, and is referenced frequently throughout American customs and verbage and the original definition of American values were derived from the initial Christian ethos

    yes or no

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    And your last sentence about "wanting" to speak out but "can't" is pure fantasy that you cannot support with facts.
    REALLY? So if the government has guns, missles, an army and you have a handgun you are going to risk your families life? I think not. Nice try, but keep on trucking if you believe that one.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Christianity was an essential foundation for their morality, and is referenced frequently throughout American customs and verbage and the original definition of American values were derived from the initial Christian ethos

    yes or no
    Many of the morals we have are shared by OTHER religions as well. So you can pretend that Christianity holds the patent on those values, but it doesn't.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    When read in its entirety with an acknowledgment of the whole, yes. However, that doesn't change the fact that lifted and standing alone, several passages make it look like Christians should be violent.
    Do you think Christianity has evolved past its violent years, and has learned to coexist with others? Yes or no

    Do you think Islam has refused to take such steps, and has remained in its violent and pre-medieval states, by and large? Yes or no

    Be honest
    Last edited by ric27; 07-14-10 at 06:57 PM.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Do you think Christianity evolved past its violent years, and has learned to coexist with others? Yes or no
    I think PEOPLE that follow Christiniaty have evolved past THEIR violent years yes. The bible and religion have been the same. Just the people have been different.

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Do you think Islam has refused to take such steps, and has remained in its violent and pre-medieval states, by and large? Yes or no

    Be honest
    I think some of the PEOPLE that follow Islam have refused to take such steps and yes, they are violent. However, the Koran and the religion have remained the same, just the people are different.

    I think you would see a definite change in the people that followed Islam if they were allowed to thrive in their country free of dicateors, theocracies, and tyrannies as well. I still maintain that it isn't the religion that is the problem, it is the people that hold power through dicatorships, tyrannies, and theocracies over others and abuse the religion that is the problem.

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