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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    This is where your ignorance is showing. It doesn't work that way and it isn't simply a Christianity vs Muslim comparison. You also have to take a look at the countries where violence is occurring in. These are mainly dictatorships and theocracies.

    My point, which is valid in past and present is that the problem is with dictatorships, tyrannies, and theocracy hijacking a religion (Christianity in the past and Islam now) and not the religion itself.

    When you grow out of your ignorance, let us know.
    What a pathetic counter....and now you will be on the spot, dude

    The Bible is history, prophecy, poetry, the law, etc. Taken all together, it imparts moral principles and guidance. With that in mind, take a look at the writings of the founding fathers, including the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

    See, if it conflicts with the Biblical values or does it incorporate them

    Yes or no

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Please read more carefully. My argument is challenging you to prove your claim that a majority of Muslims are against voilence towards non believers.

    Still waiting for you to support equalizing the two religions in terms of violence and violence teachings in their texts.
    Quoting irrelevant polls from half a decade ago isn't helping you make your point.

    I am not and have never spoken towards the religious teachings themselves. I am stating that their teachings are meaningless and that the religions are exploited for political gain and that is the reason for the violence. You can take either religion and expolit it's teachings in support of violence. The difference with the two religions today is that Christianity is no longer tied to politics and thus cannot be used as an excuse and Islam is still closely tied to politics and thus is still used as an excuse.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    They get incensed when someone dares build a mosque.. well, pretty much anywhere, but within some arbitrary distance from the former WTC site? Outrageous!
    Why does a mosque have to be built by ground zero? The fact of the matter is that the terrorists ARE Muslim extremists. Call them what you want, that doesn't change what they are. And building a mosque blocks away from ground zero is a "slap in the face" tactic by an anti-Israeli imam who knew that this conflict would arise and I believe purposefully instigated it. Why would the mosque have to be THERE?

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Quoting irrelevant polls from half a decade ago isn't helping you make your point.
    There is nothing irrelevant on that pole. It clearly shows Muslims can't even come to terms with who actually was responsible for 9.11
    I am not and have never spoken towards the religious teachings themselves. I am stating that their teachings are meaningless and that the religions are exploited for political gain and that is the reason for the violence. You can take either religion and expolit it's teachings in support of violence. The difference with the two religions today is that Christianity is no longer tied to politics and thus cannot be used as an excuse and Islam is still closely tied to politics and thus is still used as an excuse.
    Lets be clear. Are you claiming the two religions are equal in violence and teachings? Yes or No?
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Lets be clear. Are you claiming the two religions are equal in violence and teachings? Yes or No?
    Both have violent passages and both can be exploited for political gain, as history shows. To me it doesn't matter if one has 100 passages and another has 500. Both can be used to justify killing one in the right hands.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Both have violent passages and both can be exploited for political gain, as history shows. To me it doesn't matter if one has 100 passages and another has 500. Both can be used to justify killing one in the right hands.
    Exactly the point everyone in this thread has been making all along. In terms of rhetoric, the two are right there neck and neck for the title of most violent. Beyond that, it has to do with what the people of each religion do with its teachings.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    A Christian example is Pat Robertson and Phelps Family. They still use Christian text to support violence in the name of religion. Both make millions of dollars per year thanks to their deep "faith" in religion. Luckily though these types of Radicals are few and far between in terms of Christianity.
    The most recent example you could point to would be that ****head Phelps. He has his little fanatic church that follows him. No one else. There aren't little Phelp churches spring up all around and he is opposed by Christians at everyone of his anti-gay rallies or when he decides to descrate some soldier's funeral.

    Pat Robertson? Now you're really reaching. He doesn't represent a large segment of Christianity, let alone a majority. And no one has committed a murder or other act of violence because of his citation of an Old Testament command as justification. And before you bring up the nutcases that have bombed abortion clinics, they have been condemned by most Christians and Christian leaders (99%+ ?), and have been tracked down, captured and prosecuted by people who (most probably) are Christian.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Exactly the point everyone in this thread has been making all along. In terms of rhetoric, the two are right there neck and neck for the title of most violent. Beyond that, it has to do with what the people of each religion do with its teachings.
    The Christian New Testament is quite clear. Missionaries went out to preach. Those who accepted the message and joined the church were subject to the laws of the church. But no one could be forced to convert, or to stay. Conversions HAD to be voluntary.

    Jesus tells Christians to "Preach the Gospel to all nations and baptize them in the name of the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit. Preach means to TELL, it doesn't mean CONVERT.The Bible is very clear that believers are to preach, not convert. And, if the preaching is rejected, to move on. Men preach, God converts. Or doesn't. According to his will. But in no case are
    believers supposed to do anything to someone who doesn't believe.

    Islam is different. The Koran establishes Jihad as one of a Muslim's duties.They have an ongoing command to do this to the entire world. Until everyone is Muslim and as long as there is Islam, there will be a sizable portion thereof who think it is ok to slaughter everyone who isn't one of them.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The Christian New Testament is quite clear.
    When read in its entirety with an acknowledgment of the whole, yes. However, that doesn't change the fact that lifted and standing alone, several passages make it look like Christians should be violent.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    What a pathetic counter....and now you will be on the spot, dude

    The Bible is history, prophecy, poetry, the law, etc. Taken all together, it imparts moral principles and guidance. With that in mind, take a look at the writings of the founding fathers, including the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

    See, if it conflicts with the Biblical values or does it incorporate them

    Yes or no
    Of course it conflicts with biblical values. Just take a look at the 10 commandments and see which ones are u.s. Law. We are not a theocracy.

    As for the bible being history, that is laughable at best.

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