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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Keep telling yourself that God is not a evil SOB, it hypocritical to ignore the Old Testament when your a Christan when its in the freaking Christan bible as well as the Torah.......

    The reason it say Non Believers are going to hell just like in every other text. Oh wait that not true, since the one who don't have that law are of the Islamic Faith he who get in to Haven must be have a good heart, and that heart must out way the sins he has committed..........
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    New Testament Cruelty
    Matthew

    1. Those who bear bad fruit will be cut down and burned "with unquenchable fire." 3:10, 12

    2. Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

    3. Jesus recommends that to avoid sin we cut off our hands and pluck out our eyes. This advice is given immediately after he says that anyone who looks with lust at any women commits adultery. 5:29-30

    4. Jesus says that most people will go to hell. 7:13-14

    5. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 7:19

    6. "The children of the kingdom [the Jews] shall be cast out into outer darkness: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 8:12

    7. Jesus tells a man who had just lost his father: "Let the dead bury the dead." 8:21

    8. Jesus sends some devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the waters below. 8:32

    9. Cities that neither "receive" the disciples nor "hear" their words will be destroyed by God. It will be worse for them than for Sodom and Gomorrah. And you know what God supposedly did to those poor folks (see Gen.19:24). 10:14-15

    10. Families will be torn apart because of Jesus (this is one of the few "prophecies" in the Bible that has actually come true). "Brother shall deliver up the brother to death, and the father the child: and the children shall rise up against their parents, and cause them to be put to death." 10:21

    11. Jesus says that we should fear God who is willing and "able to destroy both soul and body in hell." 10:28

    12. Jesus says that he has come to destroy families by making family members hate each other. He has "come not to send peace, but a sword." 10:34-36

    13. Jesus condemns entire cities to dreadful deaths and to the eternal torment of hell because they didn't care for his preaching. 11:20-24

    14. Jesus will send his angels to gather up "all that offend" and they "shall cast them into a furnace of fire: there shall be wailing and gnashing of teeth." 13:41-42, 50

    15. Jesus is criticized by the Pharisees for not washing his hands before eating. He defends himself by attacking them for not killing disobedient children according to the commandment: "He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death." (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) So, does Jesus think that children who curse their parents should be killed? It sure sounds like it. 15:4-7

    16. Jesus advises his followers to mutilate themselves by cutting off their hands and plucking out their eyes. He says it's better to be "maimed" than to suffer "everlasting fire." 18:8-9

    17. In the parable of the unforgiving servant, the king threatens to enslave a man and his entire family to pay for a debt. This practice, which was common at the time, seems not to have bothered Jesus very much. The parable ends with this: "So likewise shall my heavenly Father do also unto you." If you are cruel to others, God will be cruel to you. 18:23-35

    18. "And his lord was wroth, and delivered him to the tormentors." 18:34

    19. In the parable of the marriage feast, the king sends his servants to gather everyone they can find, both bad and good, to come to the wedding feast. One guest didn't have on his wedding garment, so the king tied him up and "cast him into the outer darkness" where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 22:12-13

    20. Jesus had no problem with the idea of drowning everyone on earth in the flood. It'll be just like that when he returns. 24:37

    21. God will come when people least expect him and then he'll "cut them asunder." And "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 24:50-51

    22. The servant who kept and returned his master's talent was cast into the "outer darkness" where there will be "weeping and gnashing of teeth." 25:30

    23. Jesus tells us what he has planned for those that he dislikes. They will be cast into an "everlasting fire." 25:41

    24. Jesus says the damned will be tormented forever. 25:46

    Mark

    25. Jesus explains why he speaks in parables: to confuse people so they will go to hell. 4:11-12

    26. Jesus sends devils into 2000 pigs, causing them to jump off a cliff and be drowned in the sea. When the people hear about it, they beg Jesus to leave. 5:12-13

    27. Any city that doesn't "receive" the followers of Jesus will be destroyed in a manner even more savage than that of Sodom and Gomorrah. 6:11

    28. Jesus criticizes the Jews for not killing their disobedient children as required by Old Testament law. (See Ex.21:15, Lev.20:9, Dt.21:18-21) 7:9-10

    29. If you're ashamed of Jesus, he'll be ashamed of you. (And you'll go straight to hell.) 8:38

    30. Jesus tells us to cut off our hands and feet, and pluck out our eyes to avoid going to hell. 9:43-49

    31. Jesus says that those that believe and are baptized will be saved, while those who don't will be damned. 16:16

    Luke

    32. God strikes Zacharias dumb for doubting the angel Gabriel's words. 1:20

    33. Those who fail to bear "good fruit" will be "hewn down, and cast into the fire." 3:9

    34. John the Baptist says that Christ will burn the damned "with fire unquenchable." 3:17

    35. Jesus heals a naked man who was possessed by many devils by sending the devils into a herd of pigs, causing them to run off a cliff and drown in the sea. This messy, cruel, and expensive (for the owners of the pigs) treatment did not favorably impress the local residents, and Jesus was asked to leave. 8:27-37

    36. Jesus says that entire cities will be violently destroyed and the inhabitants "thrust down to hell" for not "receiving" his disciples. 10:10-15

    37. Jesus says that we should fear God since he has the power to kill us and then torture us forever in hell. 12:5

    38. Jesus says that God is like a slave-owner who beats his slaves "with many stripes." 12:46-47

    39. "Except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish." 13:3, 5

    40. According to Jesus, only a few will be saved; the vast majority will suffer eternally in hell where "there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth." 13:23-30

    41. In the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, the rich man goes to hell, because as Abraham explains, he had a good life on earth and so now he will be tormented. Whereas Lazarus, who was miserable on earth, is now in heaven. This seems fair to Jesus. 16:19-31

    42. Jesus believed the story of Noah's ark. He thought it really happened and had no problem with the idea of God drowning everything and everybody. 17:26-27

    43. Jesus also believes the story about Sodom's destruction. He says, "even thus shall it be in the day the son of man is revealed ... Remember Lot's wife." This tells us about Jesus' knowledge of science and history, and his sense of justice. 17:29-32

    44. In the parable of the talents, Jesus says that God takes what is not rightly his, and reaps what he didn't sow. The parable ends with the words: "bring them [those who preferred not to be ruled by him] hither, and slay them before me." 19:22-27

    John

    45. Jesus believed the stupid and vicious story from Numbers 21. (God sent snakes to bite the people for complaining about the lack of foood and water, and then God told Moses to make a brass snake to cure them from the bites.) 3:14

    46. As an example to parents everywhere and to save the world (from himself), God had his own son tortured and killed. 3:16

    47. People are damned or saved depending only on what they believe. 3:18, 36

    48. The "wrath of God" is on all unbelievers. 3:36

    49. Jesus believes people are crippled by God as a punishment for sin. He tells a crippled man, after healing him, to "sin no more, lest a worse thing come unto thee." 5:14

    50. Those who do not believe in Jesus will be cast into a fire to be burned. 15:6

    51. Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66

    Acts

    52. Peter claims that Deuteronomy 18:18-19 refers to Jesus, saying that those who refuse to follow him (all non-Christians) must be killed. 3:23

    53. Peter and God scare Ananias and his wife to death for not forking over all of the money that they made when selling their land. 5:1-10

    54. Peter has a dream in which God show him "wild beasts, and creeping things, and fowls." The voice (God's?) says, "Rise, Peter: kill and eat." 10:10-13

    55. Peter describes the vision that he had in the last chapter (10:10-13). All kinds of beasts, creeping things, and fowls drop down from the sky in a big sheet, and a voice (God's, Satan's?) tells him to "Arise, Peter; slay and eat." 11:5-6

    56. The "angel of the Lord" killed Herod by having him "eaten of worms" because "he gave not God the glory." 12:23

    57. David was "a man after [God's] own heart." 13:22

    58. The author of Acts talks about the "sure mercies of David." But David was anything but merciful. For an example of his behavior see 2 Sam.12:31 and 1 Chr.20:3, where he saws, hacks, and burns to death the inhabitants of several cities. 13:34

    59. Paul and the Holy Ghost conspire together to make Elymas (the sorcerer) blind. 13:8-11

    Romans

    60. Homosexuals (those "without natural affection") and their supporters (those "that have pleasure in them") are "worthy of death." 1:31-32

    61. The guilty are "justified" and "saved from wrath" by the blood of an innocent victim. 5:9

    62. God punishes everyone for someone else's sin; then he saves them by killing an innocent victim. 5:12

    1 Corinthians

    63. If you defile the temple of God, God will destroy you. 3:17

    64. Paul claims that God killed 23,000 in a plague for "committing whoredom with the daughters of Moab 10:8

    65. If you tempt Christ (How could you tempt Christ?), you'll will die from snake bites. 10:9

    66. If you murmur, you'll be destroyed by the destroyer (God). 10:10

    2 Corinthians
    67. The terror of the Lord 5:11


    Ephesians

    68. We are predestined by God to go to either heaven or hell. None of our thoughts, words, or actions can affect the final outcome. 1:4-5, 11

    69. God had his son murdered to keep himself from hurting others for things they didn't do. 1:7

    70. The bloody death of Jesus smelled good to God. 5:2

    71. Those who refuse to obey will face the wrath of God. 5:6



    Colossians

    72. God bought us with someone else's blood. 1:14

    73. God makes peace through blood. 1:19-20

    1 Thessalonians

    74. God is planning a messy, mass murder in "the wrath to come" and only Jesus can save you from it. 1:10

    75. Christians shouldn't mourn the death of their fellow believers. They'll be OK and you'll see them later in heaven. The people you should mourn are dead nonbelievers. They have no hope (becasue they're going to hell). 4:13

    2 Thessalonians

    76. Jesus will take "vengeance on them that know not God" by burning them forever "in flaming fire." 1:7-9

    77. Jesus will "consume" the wicked "with the spirit of his mouth." 2:8

    78. God will cause us to believe lies so that he can damn our souls to hell. 2:11-12


    Hebrews

    79. God will not forgive us unless we shed the blood of some innocent creature. 9:13-14, 22

    80. Those who disobeyed the Old Testament law were killed without mercy. It will be much worse for those who displease Jesus. 10:28-29

    81. The Israelites kept the passover and sprinkled blood on doorposts so that God wouldn't kill their firstborn children (like he did the Egyptians in Exodus 12:29). 11:28

    82. God ordered animals to be "stoned, or thrust through with a dart" if they "so much as ... touch the mountain."
    I mean come on you don't think this is really bad?
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    LOL The idiocy of that chart is truely amazing.

    Real life and real experiences blow that lie completly out of the water.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    LOL The idiocy of that chart is truely amazing.

    Real life and real experiences blow that lie completly out of the water.
    No, what it proves is that it isn't the religious text that makes a violent religion, it is the people that abuse the religion. Islam is not a violent religion, it is being abused by people that want to hold onto power. Much like many did in the past with Christianity and the bible.

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, what it proves is that it isn't the religious text that makes a violent religion, it is the people that abuse the religion. Islam is not a violent religion, it is being abused by people that want to hold onto power. Much like many did in the past with Christianity and the bible.
    Actually it doesn't prove anything. I've seen that blog before. It takes stories of voilence in the Bible and equates that with actual directives in the Qur'an. The two relgiions could not be more different.

    If you were right we wouldn't have Muslim Imams still preaching voilence and quoting the Qur'an to justify it. How many violent Christian ministers are quoting the Bible to justify their voilence?

    Its beyond a laughable comparison.


    And since the site has already been proven to completely fabricate quotes, I wouldn't go by it as a factual resource.
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, what it proves is that it isn't the religious text that makes a violent religion, it is the people that abuse the religion. Islam is not a violent religion, it is being abused by people that want to hold onto power. Much like many did in the past with Christianity and the bible.
    You don't expect reason and honsesty to have any effect do you?

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    I mean come on you don't think this is really bad?
    The lies in your link could not be more transparent. Lets just take one:

    2. Jesus strongly approves of the law and the prophets. He hasn't the slightest objection to the cruelties of the Old Testament. 5:17

    Thats yours.

    Here are 17 different Bible versions. NONE of which say what your link is claiming.

    New International Version (©1984)
    "Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

    New Living Translation (©2007)
    "Don't misunderstand why I have come. I did not come to abolish the law of Moses or the writings of the prophets. No, I came to accomplish their purpose.

    English Standard Version (©2001)
    “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.

    New American Standard Bible (©1995)
    "Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish but to fulfill.

    International Standard Version (©2008)
    "Do not think that I came to destroy the Law or the Prophets. I didn't come to destroy them, but to fulfill them,

    GOD'S WORD® Translation (©1995)
    "Don't ever think that I came to set aside Moses' Teachings or the Prophets. I didn't come to set them aside but to make them come true.

    King James Bible
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

    American King James Version
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

    American Standard Version
    Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfil.

    Bible in Basic English
    Let there be no thought that I have come to put an end to the law or the prophets. I have not come for destruction, but to make complete.

    Douay-Rheims Bible
    Do not think that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets. I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

    Darby Bible Translation
    Think not that I am come to make void the law or the prophets; I am not come to make void, but to fulfil.

    English Revised Version
    Think not that I came to destroy the law or the prophets: I came not to destroy, but to fulfill.

    Webster's Bible Translation
    Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfill.

    Weymouth New Testament
    "Do not for a moment suppose that I have come to abrogate the Law or the Prophets: I have not come to abrogate them but to give them their completion.

    World English Bible
    "Don't think that I came to destroy the law or the prophets. I didn't come to destroy, but to fulfill.

    Young's Literal Translation
    'Do not suppose that I came to throw down the law or the prophets -- I did not come to throw down, but to fulfil;



    How about another?


    51. Jesus says we must eat his flesh and drink his blood if we want to have eternal life. This idea was just too gross for "many of his disciples" and "walked no more with him." 6:53-66


    Kindof hard to find a comparison since MATTHEW 6:53 DOESN'T EXIST

    Way to find not only a site that lies about the quotes but makes them up as well.

    Well done
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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by RyrineaHaruno View Post
    Keep telling yourself that God is not a evil SOB, it hypocritical to ignore the Old Testament when your a Christan when its in the freaking Christan bible as well as the Torah.......

    The reason it say Non Believers are going to hell just like in every other text. Oh wait that not true, since the one who don't have that law are of the Islamic Faith he who get in to Haven must be have a good heart, and that heart must out way the sins he has committed..........
    You apparently aren't Christian, Jewish or Muslim. More importantly, you haven't read or studied the Bible, both the Jewish Torah, Psalms, Proverbs and Books of the Prophets (Old Testament to Christians), New Testament, Koran, or just to add a few more, the Talmud, Hadith or Book of Mormon. Yet you feel qualified to discuss the beliefs of the various religions, their sects and denominations, and which group is mainstream and which is not. Grab a clue here. This is called STEPPING OUT OF YOUR LANE.

    Move on...

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    Re: Obama at odds with Petraeus doctrine on 'Islam'

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    No, what it proves is that it isn't the religious text that makes a violent religion, it is the people that abuse the religion. Islam is not a violent religion, it is being abused by people that want to hold onto power. Much like many did in the past with Christianity and the bible.
    And once again, you step off the deep end and drown in your ignorance. You are off by 180 degrees and this is why Islam is a danger to everyone who is not a Muslim. Now and probably forever.

    What do you have in Islam? You have the Koran. And the Koran commands Muslims to convert the world to Islam. Peaceably when the can, but by force if necessary. Jihad is one of the 5 pillars of faith. If you are born to a Muslim family, you are Muslim whether you choose it or not and if you do profess another faith, the Koran commands that you be killed. Period. Christianity in contrast, demands an individual declaration of faith. Simply being the son or daughter of a Christian doesn't make you one. You need to choose that freely yourself. Other religions may not like you walking away, but they aren't going to kill you for it.

    Why don't you try reading the New Testament and then judge Christianity

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