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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    A lawful stop to issue a jaywalking ticket or speeding ticket ends once I have the ticket in my hand. Not true if the officer decides that I might be illegally in the country and my driver's license happens to be from New Mexico. I have rights, even during a lawful stop.
    Thats right but if you are legal you have nothing to fear.
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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Now you're being a "Troll". It's all ready been proven to you, in black and white, that any state ID will suffice, yet your provided talking points state to ignore the truth and keep pushing the LIE that only AZ DL will be accepted.

    You should talk to your employer about getting you less easily debunked talking points to use.
    It hasn't been proven to me, no. Remember that discussion on the word "if?" You never did explain why that phrase was there.

    Having a different interpretation of something isn't trolling.
    Last edited by Deuce; 07-11-10 at 10:39 PM.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Thats right but if you are legal you have nothing to fear.
    It's not "fear," it's "not wanting to be detained or for other innocent people to be detained."
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It hasn't been proven to me, no. Remember that discussion on the word "if?" You never did explain why that phrase was there.

    Having a different interpretation of something isn't trolling.
    It is when you have been shown repeatedly that you are not just wrong, but completely wrong.

    HOWEVER, so that no one can furthermore have doubt about your "lack of understanding" I shall break it down for you:

    IF THE ENTITY REQUIRES
    If the Entity Requires = If the law enforcement agent/agency requires.

    PROOF OF LEGAL PRESENCE IN THE UNITED
    STATES BEFORE ISSUANCE,
    This is simple english here, if they need to see proof you're legal before they can attempt to hold you. I.E. they suspect you are illegal, they can ask for Valid ID.

    ANY VALID UNITED STATES FEDERAL, STATE OR LOCAL
    GOVERNMENT ISSUED IDENTIFICATION.
    Any ID, issued by a State, local or Federal Entity (in this case, has your name, picture ID...) can be used as proof you are legal.

    So what this says is, if the cop has reason to suspect you're illegally here, he can request ID, and if you have any valid state/local/federal form of ID, you are golden. Otherwise he can detain you to further investigate your legal status.


    IF has been solved, you have been shown at best, an intentionally ignorant poster on the issue, and at worst a paid troll pushing a talking point.
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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Wait, you seem to be taking the word "issuance" to mean something about detainment.

    Let me do it:

    IF the entity requires proof of legal status prior to issuance [of the identification], any federal, state, or local issued government identification [is valid]

    Entity refers to the entity that issues the document. Hence the word issuance.
    Remember the context. It's a list of 4 documents that the detaining officer will accept as proof of legal status.
    Last edited by Deuce; 07-11-10 at 11:01 PM.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Noteworthy is the previously-linked statement by the Arizona Police Training Board fellow that agrees with me instead of you.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    The statement you quoted is still accurate.
    I dont think this bill poses any dangers to the rights of American citizens. So I have zero problems with this bill.
    This bill is no different than, the fed bills.

    Just keep in mind that we are talking about ILLEGAL aliens.

    You completely fail to undestand that little thingy.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    I dont think this bill poses any dangers to the rights of American citizens. So I have zero problems with this bill.
    This bill is no different than, the fed bills.

    Just keep in mind that we are talking about ILLEGAL aliens.

    You completely fail to undestand that little thingy.
    No, that part I get entirely. It's the being "more happy because Obama and the left are freaking out" that is the partisan part.

    To clarify:
    Supporting the bill: Not partisan.
    Supporting the bill because liberals oppose it: Partisan.
    He touched her over her bra and underpants, she says, and guided her hand to touch him over his underwear
    Quote Originally Posted by Lutherf View Post
    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    It's not "fear," it's "not wanting to be detained or for other innocent people to be detained."
    Then you should worry about every law at every given time because that is always a potential problem with any law.

    Your "worry" could not be more general.
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