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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are no warrants out for my arrest and I haven't committed any crimes. I shouldn't have to carry ID, is what I'm saying. There's a difference between "Hey, I think you might be the guy who robbed the bank yesterday" and "Hey, I think you might be here illegally." The first is a specific crime with a specific description of the suspect. The second is whatever the officer happens to think at that particular moment.
    Do you think being asked to hold basic identification papers errodes your civil liberties?
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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Do you think being asked to hold basic identification papers errodes your civil liberties?
    Papiere, bitte.

    Yes, I do think that. Hell, not everyone even has a driver's license. People shouldn't have to carry around something as sensitive as a social security card, birth certificate, or passport. How about children? It isn't uncommon for a 14 year old to lack any form of photo ID.

    If you're from New Mexico, your driver's license isn't even good enough.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Papiere, bitte.

    Yes, I do think that. Hell, not everyone even has a driver's license. People shouldn't have to carry around something as sensitive as a social security card, birth certificate, or passport. How about children? It isn't uncommon for a 14 year old to lack any form of photo ID.
    What about you might lead someone to believe you are illegally in the Country?

    Paranoia, look it up.
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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Papiere, bitte.

    Yes, I do think that. Hell, not everyone even has a driver's license. People shouldn't have to carry around something as sensitive as a social security card, birth certificate, or passport. How about children? It isn't uncommon for a 14 year old to lack any form of photo ID.
    Firstly, do you know why you are carrying such identification? In case you break the law, or do something like crash your car which requires a legal process and identification documents to prove your the owner of the car, insurance details to cover the costs of damage, etc. Now we have already established that ID is important for public security and the works.

    Now under law, you cannot be searched and cannot be asked for an identification without there being a valid reason. So unless you raise the suspicions of police officers, crash your car, or commit some kind of crime, you will not be asked to present your identification, in which case your civil liberties, under no circumstance, is being violated in any shape or form.

    Now, is there a specific instance you have in mind where your ID should not be required to be with you at all times? Just during driving? What else are you talking about here?
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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    What about you might lead someone to believe you are illegally in the Country?

    Paranoia, look it up.
    Me, personally? Probably nothing. I'm a white guy with no discernable accent.

    I also don't own a gun but oppose bans on owning them. It's not just about me, Mr. V.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    There are no warrants out for my arrest and I haven't committed any crimes. I shouldn't have to carry ID, is what I'm saying. There's a difference between "Hey, I think you might be the guy who robbed the bank yesterday" and "Hey, I think you might be here illegally." The first is a specific crime with a specific description of the suspect. The second is whatever the officer happens to think at that particular moment.

    You seem uptight with cops asking a few questions, using their cop skills, sorting out who they are dealing with, and then demanding proof of immigration status of those that are at EPIC FAIL status at questioning..

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    You seem uptight with cops asking a few questions, using their cop skills, sorting out who they are dealing with, and then demanding proof of immigration status of those that are at EPIC FAIL status at questioning..
    I am against legal citizens or residents being detained for the sole "crime" of not having identification on them, yes.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    The other issue I have with this law is the tricky position it places police in. On the one hand, they're being told they can't use racial profiling. We all know this law is going to be applied more to hispanics than to any other group. They're the vast majority of illegals in AZ, after all. But, if a cop is too worried about getting busted with frivilous lawsuits over racial profiling, he might be lax in enforcing this law, which the law says can get the department or the officer sued.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I am against legal citizens or residents being detained for the sole "crime" of not having identification on them, yes.
    They would be detained for asx long as it takes to determine their residency. Which with modern computers and the like shouldn't take very long at all.
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    Re: Holder Floats Possibility of Racial Profiling Suit Against Arizona

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    I am against legal citizens or residents being detained for the sole "crime" of not having identification on them, yes.
    I would anticipate each LEA will prepare, a guideline for its LEOs so that reasonable suspicion can be articulated, rather than the officer having a hunch

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