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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    I agree. A red herring designed to distract us from the real problem. Your construction contractor example is perfect. As are landscape contractors...independently-owned chain hotels/motels...restaurants...maid services, and many more.

    And this labor savings is not enjoyed by the consumer. It's put right into the business owner's pocket.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Dezaad View Post
    Deportation is an expensive and ineffective strategy. It is not even worth doing until the demand for their labor is dealt with. Once the demand for their labor is reduced to virtually nothing, you can get an idea of how large the remaining problem will be, and thereby determine how many resources to direct at it.

    Here is what I predict, if Obama does what is necessary to dry up the demand: There will be a lot more poor, desperate Mexicans. Some of these people will become involved in the violent supply of drugs across the border. However, on the plus side, illegal immigration for other purposes will come to a virtual halt. Overall, illegal border crossings will drastically decline. This will give whatever administration that is in place greater political cover to take more aggressive measures to secure the border. That is, we can get more aggressive about security with less damage to our relations with Mexico.

    Now, if we would get rid of the demand for illegal drugs, we could avoid a large portion of the negative consequences of having additional poor, desperate people hanging about the border. There is only one way to do that: Legalize the drugs and have the government temporarily take over the manufacture and distribution of them.

    Then, maybe we could focus with Mexico on finding a real solution for the fact that Mexico has a lot of poor, desperate people.



    Well now how is that possible? mexico is a socialist utopia and we are rushing headlong into becoming the same thing. We have too many social services, too much social spending, unemployment is high and getting higher. The wealthy do well (for now) but how long til the housing bubble finally pops? We cant fix ourselves...and we should focus on fixing them?

    Im all for targeting employers...but the only thing worse than having 35 million illegal immigrants in your country is having 35 million UNEMPLOYED and dependent illegal immigrants. And how many states still provide those social services to illegals without collecting taxes to pay for them?

    Part of the problem is that this is not an either or problem which is going to be solved with an either or solution. This has to be seal the borders AND target employers AND find a path to some form of legal citizen status AND encourage mexico to engage the problem as a partner and not just as the bleeding end of gushing artery. Its not going to be solved by "arrest them all and deport them" rhetoric, nor will it be solved by "anyone that targets illegal immigration is a racist" rhetoric.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    [/B]Part of the problem is that this is not an either or problem which is going to be solved with an either or solution. This has to be seal the borders AND target employers AND find a path to some form of legal citizen status AND encourage mexico to engage the problem as a partner and not just as the bleeding end of gushing artery. Its not going to be solved by "arrest them all and deport them" rhetoric, nor will it be solved by "anyone that targets illegal immigration is a racist" rhetoric.
    I believe that's pronounced, Bingo! Your last sentence is soooo important.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    How on God's green earth is this a good idea?

    From the article:

    While the sweeps of the past commonly led to the deportation of such workers, the “silent raids,” as employers call the audits, usually result in the workers being fired, but in many cases they are not deported.

    What is the point if you don't pick them up? How many have criminal records? How many will simply move to another job? No, this is a terrible idea that solves nothing. The illegals are still in country and not picked up.

    Its a complete farce and once again proves Obama cares nothing about the law if they are simply fired.
    Deport an illegal worker (costs $) on Monday and he'll be back on the job on Thursday. That's what's been going on for a long time. The employer fines need to be substantial. That word would travel fast.

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
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    This has to be seal the borders AND target employers AND find a path to some form of legal citizen status AND encourage mexico to engage the problem as a partner and not just as the bleeding end of gushing artery. Its not going to be solved by "arrest them all and deport them" rhetoric, nor will it be solved by "anyone that targets illegal immigration is a racist" rhetoric.
    Not to derail the thread, but....You can't have just a little socialism. It always grows...always. Hell, let's cut to the chase: The sequence of steps that's going to run the, US into the ground is the weight of socialistic programs such social security and medicare.

    It won't be illegal immigrants, al qaeda or the dumbasses over at handgun control.

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    [/B]

    Well now how is that possible? mexico is a socialist utopia and we are rushing headlong into becoming the same thing. We have too many social services, too much social spending, unemployment is high and getting higher. The wealthy do well (for now) but how long til the housing bubble finally pops? We cant fix ourselves...and we should focus on fixing them?

    Im all for targeting employers...but the only thing worse than having 35 million illegal immigrants in your country is having 35 million UNEMPLOYED and dependent illegal immigrants. And how many states still provide those social services to illegals without collecting taxes to pay for them?

    Part of the problem is that this is not an either or problem which is going to be solved with an either or solution. This has to be seal the borders AND target employers AND find a path to some form of legal citizen status AND encourage mexico to engage the problem as a partner and not just as the bleeding end of gushing artery. Its not going to be solved by "arrest them all and deport them" rhetoric, nor will it be solved by "anyone that targets illegal immigration is a racist" rhetoric.
    If there's a Socialist Utopia - where everyone is equal pay/equal rights - then why are they fleeing it in such large numbers?
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    Deport an illegal worker (costs $) on Monday and he'll be back on the job on Thursday. That's what's been going on for a long time. The employer fines need to be substantial. That word would travel fast.
    This is why when an illegal is caught in a raid, he or she should be tossed in jail for six months for their first offense like the law says they can.

    Illegal Immigration IS A CRIME!
    Under Title 8 Section 1325 of the U.S. Code, "Improper Entry by Alien," any citizen of any country other than the United States who:

    * Enters or attempts to enter the United States at any time or place other than as designated by immigration officers; or
    * Eludes examination or inspection by immigration officers; or
    * Attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the willful concealment of a material fact;

    has committed a federal crime.

    Violations are punishable by criminal fines and imprisonment for up to six months. Repeat offenses can bring up to two years in prison. Additional civil fines may be imposed at the discretion of immigration judges, but civil fines do not negate the criminal sanctions or nature of the offense.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    If there's a Socialist Utopia - where everyone is equal pay/equal rights - then why are they fleeing it in such large numbers?
    Dammit...I forgot the sarcasm alert again...

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Not to derail the thread, but....You can't have just a little socialism. It always grows...always. Hell, let's cut to the chase: The sequence of steps that's going to run the, US into the ground is the weight of socialistic programs such social security and medicare.

    It won't be illegal immigrants, al qaeda or the dumbasses over at handgun control.
    I agree...all you have to do is look at the blue states and you can see it happening already.

    I dont agree that you cant have positive social programs...but they should be local and state run (or better yet PRIVATELY funded and run...let those that bleat on about liberal ideologies put their money where their motuh is) and designed for short term hand UP situations...not long term programs to keep the pets (voters) crippled and dependent on the federal govt for their support and sustainment.

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    3 million? lets put this in perspective.



    its one part, we need to close the border and deport illegals....
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