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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Jobs won't dry up. They will just steal somebody elses identity and leave that person with thousands of unpaid taxes and maybe worse.

    Why does nobody talk about the identity theft problem caused by illegal workers.
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    Another problem this does not address is the illegals crossing for violent purposes and not to find work.

    Sure Obama will identify gardners and maids but he will do nothing about the violent offenders coming across the border.
    To many proillegals in office the thugs crossing the border for criminal activities other than illegal immigration is just a small price to pay in order to keep the border porous.
    I think the violent ones are a lot more important to identify than a maid.
    If illegals who are working low wage jobs are enticed to go home would it make it easier for the border guards to spot drug traffickers and other criminals besides those who come here illegally?
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    We are a nation of "Yes-but'ers."

    "Yes, but it doesn't go far enough."
    "Yes, but it doesn't solve THIS or THAT."

    It's a step in the right direction. It's more than's been done for a long time.

    Anyone who thinks we're going to put 11,000,000 illegals in jail is a fool.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Good idea. You can't clamp down on illegal immigration unless you attack the main reason they are coming here - Employers who are hiring them.
    It doesn't make for compelling television coverage, though. That must mean he isn't doing anything.

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Deportation is an expensive and ineffective strategy. It is not even worth doing until the demand for their labor is dealt with. Once the demand for their labor is reduced to virtually nothing, you can get an idea of how large the remaining problem will be, and thereby determine how many resources to direct at it.

    Here is what I predict, if Obama does what is necessary to dry up the demand: There will be a lot more poor, desperate Mexicans. Some of these people will become involved in the violent supply of drugs across the border. However, on the plus side, illegal immigration for other purposes will come to a virtual halt. Overall, illegal border crossings will drastically decline. This will give whatever administration that is in place greater political cover to take more aggressive measures to secure the border. That is, we can get more aggressive about security with less damage to our relations with Mexico.

    Now, if we would get rid of the demand for illegal drugs, we could avoid a large portion of the negative consequences of having additional poor, desperate people hanging about the border. There is only one way to do that: Legalize the drugs and have the government temporarily take over the manufacture and distribution of them.

    Then, maybe we could focus with Mexico on finding a real solution for the fact that Mexico has a lot of poor, desperate people.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    You don't even need government to take over manufacture. Hell, I bet the tobacco companies already have a file cabinet full of paperwork ready to begin marijuana production. Private production will step in practically overnight when it comes to a new industry this large. Then tax the crap out of it. Between the tax income and the massive reduction in law enforcement/incarceration costs, we take a decent chunk out of that pesky deficit and rob the cartels of most of their income and power.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    You don't even need government to take over manufacture. Hell, I bet the tobacco companies already have a file cabinet full of paperwork ready to begin marijuana production. Private production will step in practically overnight when it comes to a new industry this large. Then tax the crap out of it. Between the tax income and the massive reduction in law enforcement/incarceration costs, we take a decent chunk out of that pesky deficit and rob the cartels of most of their income and power.
    I don't want to derail the thread - I just wanted to address the demand that we create for workers for the illegal drug trade. But, to your point: Well, there is some probability that the cartels would still try to control the drug trade, through force. Even that aside, they have specialized in drug manufacture and distribution, after all, and would probably be more efficient at it than anyone else at this time. It would probably be them who lead the way to the legal drug trade. Thus, legalization would probably reward them, and I would prefer not to do that.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Deuce said: ...we take a decent chunk out of that pesky deficit...
    Since when has increased revenue not spelled anything but increased spending? I hope you're right.

    Dezaad said: Then, maybe we could focus with Mexico on finding a real solution for the fact that Mexico has a lot of poor, desperate people.
    I'll drink to that.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Focusing so much on illegals and not those that hire them is just as asinine.
    If you read his posts you would know how weong you are about him. He has attacked employers.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    We are a nation of "Yes-but'ers."

    "Yes, but it doesn't go far enough."
    "Yes, but it doesn't solve THIS or THAT."

    It's a step in the right direction. It's more than's been done for a long time..
    You want people to be happy with token raids that only give the employer a slap on the wrist with a free bus ticket home for the illegals and a sparsely guarded border? Why does it make sense to say here criminal enjoy your free ticket home,see ya soon? Illegal immigration requires more than just deportation and token raids. It requires the following-
    1.seriously cracking down on those who hire illegals
    2.jailing illegals who are caught, it takes two to tango and illegals are just as guilty as those that hire them.
    3.denying tax payer funded services to illegals. That means no food handlers permits, driver's licenses,permits, business permits, building permits or any other permit, welfare,section 8 housing, foodstamps, car tag renewal and other service.
    4.allowing local police to verify the legal status of those they stop for a traffic offense or some other form of lawful contact
    5.Jailing those who harbor and or aid illegals and this includes the politicians who have their tongues in so deep when tossing the salad of illegals and pro-illegals.
    6.Require financial institutions such as banks, check cashing places and money wiring services to verify the legal status of those they do business with.[If illegals are denied tax payer funded services then mostly these places should only have to check a driver's license/ID and a social security card.]
    7.Require property owners to verify the legal status of those they rent,sell,lend or give property to.[If illegals are denied tax payer funded services then mostly these places should only have to check a driver's license/ID and a social security card.]
    8.Require those selling a to verify that person buying a car has a valid drivers license.


    Anyone who thinks we're going to put 11,000,000 illegals in jail is a fool
    You do not have to put 12-20 million illegals in jail, just the ones that are caught and those caught hiring them in jail. If you adequately crack down on both parties involved you remove the incentive for employers to hire illegals and for illegals to get jobs in the US. Employers will not want to hire illegals and illegals will not want to risk going to jail for six months or longer. When the US has seriously cracked down on illegals and those that harbor them they will deport themselves like with Operation Wetback in 1954 and Mexican Repatriation in the 1928-1939. You do not have to round up all 12-20 million plus illegals nor do you have to jail all of them.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    It puzzles me that Obama is taking Arizona to court for a law it passed in 2007, the legal Arizona Workers Act)
    (The Legal Arizona Workers Act, passed in 2007, is found in Arizona Revised Statutes (A.R.S.) sections 23-211 to 23- 214. The Legal Arizona Workers Act allows a County Attorney to bring a civil suit to suspend or revoke state and local Arizona business licenses if a business intentionally or knowingly employed non-citizens that do not have the right to work in the United States (an “unauthorized alien”). http://www.co.mohave.az.us/ContentPa...id=112&cid=122

    It targets the employer when they knowingly hire illegals. Janet N. was the governor and signed the bill. It would be nice if the Feds would do their jobs and also work with the States. Case will be before the Supreme Court this fall.
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