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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Indeed, while I don't think this is "bad", I think its a bit messy and with a double purpose.

    I don't understand the assumption by many in this thread that "getting fired" means "Leaving". Do we have any evidence at all that any or a significant amount of these people left the country? Or that they stayed in the country, found a new job, etc?

    If there's actual evidence the former is happening I'd definitely be more apt to applaud it. Without that there seems to be nothing but shuffling around where they're working and an obfuscation to say they're "doing something" without actually doing anything to illegals in reality
    At first they will not go home.However if enough companies start getting fined they will eventually stop hiring illegals.Which is why I hope that this is not just some token gesture.Even work site raids where illegals are detained and deported if done in a high enough frequency would deter companies from hiring illegals. I prefer that illegals who get caught in work site raids serve the 6 month maximum jail sentence if its their first offense,two years if 2nd offense like the law says they can be before getting deported. I would also prefer that the employer also serve a jail sentence as well as a fine.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And since Mexico encourages their people to come here illegally . . . and makes no effort to adequately support their own people . . . what makes you feel sure that they just won't hop the fence again?
    If, the US is going to be a country of laws and Illegals are breaking the law then why not deport them when caught?

    Letting illegals roam free under our current circumstances is totally asinine
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    And since Mexico encourages their people to come here illegally . . . and makes no effort to adequately support their own people . . . what makes you feel sure that they just won't hop the fence again?

    And again

    and again.

    There's less to go back to in Mexico than there is here, even if you're here illegally and without real employment.
    so we should surrender? Let them live here and ignore our own laws?
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    If, the US is going to be a country of laws and Illegals are breaking the law then why not deport them when caught?

    Letting illegals roam free under our current circumstances is totally asinine
    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    so we should surrender? Let them live here and ignore our own laws?
    Rock and a hard place.
    On one hand we could let them stay - turn a blind eye (like we've been doing) - and do nothin . . . but that obviously nets a LOT of other undesirable problems.
    Yet on the other hand we could send them back over the border - unfortunately we all know they'll just come right back. There's nothing for them over there.

    OR

    We could reform the immigration system and put in provisions to permit them to actually earn citizenship if they meet various requirements. . .an 'in process' status. While going through that process over several years we can work on securing the border *and* building a better relation with mexico . . . so perhaps they won't *keep* coming over and immigrating.

    OR - we could go extreme and just take over Mexico, absorb it into our country and be done with the whole border altogether

    None of these seem ideal or favorable but those are our options - that's it. they all have their ups and their downs.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Rock and a hard place.
    On one hand we could let them stay - turn a blind eye (like we've been doing) - and do nothin . . . but that obviously nets a LOT of other undesirable problems.
    Yet on the other hand we could send them back over the border - unfortunately we all know they'll just come right back. There's nothing for them over there.

    OR

    We could reform the immigration system and put in provisions to permit them to actually earn citizenship if they meet various requirements. . .an 'in process' status. While going through that process over several years we can work on securing the border *and* building a better relation with mexico . . . so perhaps they won't *keep* coming over and immigrating.

    OR - we could go extreme and just take over Mexico, absorb it into our country and be done with the whole border altogether

    None of these seem ideal or favorable but those are our options - that's it. they all have their ups and their downs.
    I agree with James.

    Any we find, we deport, no excuses. But before they leave we fingerprint and get DNA. Then we check for other crimes. If they have kids they can take them with them or we put them in foster homes.

    They really want to become citizens? back of the line and behind the next 6 months of candidates who obeyed the law.

    If they come back again, automatic 6 month jail sentence. Again, 2 year sentence. Again, 5 year sentence

    For the employer Automatic 5,000 fine and week in jail. Second Offense 10,000 fine 3 months in jail for owner Third offense 25,000 fine, 1 year in jail for owner.

    Wire companies are also required to check id for all transactions. 25k fine if they don't first time, second time 50k third time 100k and jail time for the owner mandatory 2 weeks

    We would have to deport very few of them after about 6 months.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Rock and a hard place.
    On one hand we could let them stay - turn a blind eye (like we've been doing) - and do nothin . . . but that obviously nets a LOT of other undesirable problems.
    Yet on the other hand we could send them back over the border - unfortunately we all know they'll just come right back. There's nothing for them over there.
    Stick their asses in jail the first time they are caught for 6 months like the law says they can be. That would change a lot of their minds at looking at deportation as nothing more than a free bus ride home.

    None of these seem ideal or favorable but those are our options - that's it. they all have their ups and their downs.
    We have lots of options the most desirable one is enticing illegals to go home. That can simply done by enforcing the laws that are on the book,states could also do what Oklahoma and Arizona have done, and there are a whole bunch of other solutions to entice illegals to go back home such as requiring money wiring services,banks and check cashing places to verify the legal status of their costumers, jail time before being deported, jail/prison time for those who hire illegals, jail time for those who aid and house illegals and many other things would encourage illegals to leave.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    lol Look who is running things BREAKING NEWS: Napolitano Said She Didn't Know About The Raid & Orders Investigation! - Citizen Orange

    During Congressional Testimony today, Janet Napolitano was asked by Rep. Zoe Lofgren (D-CA) about the ICE raid in Washington. Napolitano said she had not heard about the raid in advance and was surprised to find out about it this morning. She asked ICE to send her details about it today so she could review why it was carried out. In her testimony, she said enforcement should target employers and felonious criminals vs targetting workers.

    The Associated Press just reported:

    Napolitano orders review of raid in Wash. plant

    Seattle (AP) - Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano has ordered a review of a raid at a Washington manufacturing plant that ended with the arrests of 28 illegal immigrants. Homeland Security spokesman Sean Smith says Napolitano wants to know why Tuesday's raid occurred and what led up to it.

    President Barack Obama, who appointed Napolitano, has signaled for a shift in immigration policy that would rely less on work site enforcement, focusing instead on employers who hire illegal immigrants and overall immigration reform.

    Smith says the raid at the Yamato Engine Specialists in Bellingham was the first work site action that U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement has taken since Obama took office.

    ICE spokeswoman Lori Dankers in Seattle declined comment.

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by MaggieD View Post
    I think most people would agree that if jobs dry up, home they go. If anyone believes we're going to round up millions of illegals and put them thru our justice system to send them home, they're smokin' peyote in the Arizona desert.
    Jobs won't dry up. They will just steal somebody elses identity and leave that person with thousands of unpaid taxes and maybe worse.

    Why does nobody talk about the identity theft problem caused by illegal workers.

    Another problem this does not address is the illegals crossing for violent purposes and not to find work.

    Sure Obama will identify gardners and maids but he will do nothing about the violent offenders coming across the border.

    I think the violent ones are a lot more important to identify than a maid.

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    If, the US is going to be a country of laws and Illegals are breaking the law then why not deport them when caught?

    Letting illegals roam free under our current circumstances is totally asinine
    Focusing so much on illegals and not those that hire them is just as asinine.
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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Focusing so much on illegals and not those that hire them is just as asinine.
    Many do not just focus on illegals,which is why many suggest stiffer fines, and prison/jail time. However the OP story did state that those businesses were fined while nothing happened to the illegals and many people realize that it takes two to tango. Which is why people are complaining about the illegals not being deported.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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