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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I disagree. Illegals will just flee to wherever is not being affected by raids.




    The Seattle Times: Local News: Low-paid illegal work force has little impact on prices



    More than 7 million illegal immigrants work in the United States. They build houses, pick crops, slaughter cattle, stitch clothes, mow lawns, clean hotel rooms, cook restaurant meals and wash the dishes that come back.

    You might assume that the plentiful supply of low-wage illegal workers would translate into significantly lower prices for the goods and services they produce. In fact, their impact on consumer prices — call it the "illegal-worker discount" — is surprisingly small.

    The bag of Washington state apples you bought last weekend? Probably a few cents cheaper than it otherwise would have been, economists estimate. That steak dinner at a downtown restaurant? Maybe a buck off. Your new house in Subdivision Estates? Hard to say, but perhaps a few thousand dollars less expensive.

    The underlying reason, economists say, is that for most goods the labor — whether legal or illegal, native- or foreign-born — represents only a sliver of the retail price.

    Consider those apples — Washington's signature contribution to the American food basket.

    At a local QFC, Red Delicious apples go for about 99 cents a pound. Of that, only about 7 cents represents the cost of labor, said Tom Schotzko, a recently retired extension economist at Washington State University. The rest represents the grower's other expenses, warehousing and shipping fees, and the retailer's markup.

    And that's for one of the most labor-intensive crops in the state: It takes 150 to 190 hours of labor to grow and harvest an acre of apples, Schotzko said, compared to four hours for an acre of potatoes and 1 ˝ hours for an acre of wheat.
    The problem with your view is that most businesses are looking at the small % they get to make them just a litter more competitive. They look for edges of 1/2% or more. The apples are at 1 to 2% and the housing is at 17%. That makes it very understandable to hire illegals instead of others. That throws out of work those who would otherwise be employed in dojng that job. Where I live in Florida the illegals are taking over the lawn care business. I have two friends in that business and one went out of business while the other is forced to hire them to remain competitive. The real cost is to those who used to have those jobs. This makes the unskilled American laborers have major problems getting jobs. That is the real human cost.

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    I agree...all you have to do is look at the blue states and you can see it happening already.

    I dont agree that you cant have positive social programs...but they should be local and state run (or better yet PRIVATELY funded and run...let those that bleat on about liberal ideologies put their money where their motuh is) and designed for short term hand UP situations...not long term programs to keep the pets (voters) crippled and dependent on the federal govt for their support and sustainment.
    I'm fiscally conservative... meaning that I don't want the government telling me how to live my life or extorting money from me for bull**** social program pork or wealth redistribution. I'm also an American first guy, meaning, the US should do what is best for Americans first and worry about the worlds problems only after our problems at home are solved.

    We fix this issue, not by spending more, but by spending less.

    Take education, health care and and yes!....minimum wage laws

    If education wasnt paid for by the Fed gov (not taken out of our taxes) and was ruled by market forces, not only would we have higher quality of education, but we would remove one big incentive for the pesky illegals. Health..same result. Leave it entirely to the free market and with NO minimum wage laws, you would remove a large part of the demand for illegal labor. They would run more efficiently meaning.... more products to more americans for less money. You would also increase output and hire more people

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Has anyone asked the obvious questions?

    What correlation, if any, exists between companies raided and their contributions and support of the Democrat party?

    Since publicizing such raids to the largest audience possible will help to deter further invasion and encourage some invaders to depart, why are this raids done invisibly?

    Since the Invader caught is, in fact, known to be in the country illegally, why is he not held and deported? What purpose is served for Obama to catch and release? Do the Democrats feel the Invader is some rare exotic species of fish that needs careful husbandry in controlled breeding ponds?

    What is the relationship between targetted businesses and the status of unionization at those firms? Are the raids happening at union shops because Invaders pull down wages, or are the raids being conducted preferentially against non-union shops as a form of selective prosecution to punish them for not unionizing?

    No, that these questions exist unanswered tells me the raids aren't part of any coherent plan to eradicate the Invader, and some other game is being played.

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    Re: Illegal Workers Swept From Jobs in ‘Silent Raids’

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    If education wasnt paid for by the Fed gov (not taken out of our taxes) and was ruled by market forces, not only would we have higher quality of education, but we would remove one big incentive for the pesky illegals. Health..same result. Leave it entirely to the free market and with NO minimum wage laws, you would remove a large part of the demand for illegal labor. They would run more efficiently meaning.... more products to more americans for less money. You would also increase output and hire more people
    Don't stop short. Extend your logic. If there was no welfare for citizens the pressure for jobs for unskilled labor would increase, forcing the Mexican out of the market as the unemployed masses demanded comprehensive immigration ENFORCEMENT to prevent employers from undercutting their wages. So long as the uneducated masses can collect a government check and watch Oprah, there's no incentive for them to work or worry about invaders taking the unskilled jobs.

    Stop subsidizing indolence and there would be a huge political push to clean America of these Invading aliens.

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