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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    What?

    Ok, so should we regulate self wasting in ones pants? Probably not, eh? I certainly don't recommend it, but why shoud I otherwise care? An endorsement is when society makes the effort to either legalize (recognize) the right or privilidge, or to make the act illegal! (also recognize it) The former is an endorsement, the latter is an opposition. What's so difficult to understand about that?


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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    By not regulating something, like being fat for instance, the collective morality is that it endorses the right, and privilidge to be fat without exclusion. In your argument you must use both qualifiers, legal, and illegal to justify your positon logically. It's the same as saying that smoking is legal, but regulated, meaning certain restrictions apply. A restriction in the context of law, is an illegal movement within the legal framework. It essentially means the same thing, or has the same effect of performing an illegal action. So, in sum, society endorses smoking, but places limits on that endorsement.


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    Your logic is highly faulty, it doesn't take into account the fact that Societies "morality", or the restrictions they place on it, are wrong. And also you can't equate Gay Marriage to Smoking. Try again. One causes harm to a person and others through second hand smoke. The other doesn't, it only seems to hurt some conservatives feelings... for no reason other then they can't believe someone who isn't like them wants equal rights.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

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    a state can clearly refuse to recognize gay marriage just as NYC or Chicago does not recognize my Ohio issued CCW permit
    That's a pretty thin analogy.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    What?

    Ok, so should we regulate self wasting in ones pants? Probably not, eh? I certainly don't recommend it, but why shoud I otherwise care? An endorsement is when society makes the effort to either legalize (recognize) the right or privilidge, or to make the act illegal! (also recognize it) The former is an endorsement, the latter is an opposition. What's so difficult to understand about that?


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    False dichotomy. One can make the effort to de-illegalize something for reasons other than endorsing it.

    On top of that, things are not "legalized". They are simply no longer illegalized.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Morality in the context of a collective society cannot be wrong. It is always correct, whether it is right or wrong is an individual distinction. Only when enough individuals agree that it is wrong, does it become wrong in the context of society. Do not confuse that, just because it is correct that society deems something right or wrong, it is right or wrong necessarily. That's not the argument here. Only that in a democratic society, the collective endorses, or rejects acts, or actions with the use of law. If it isn't legislated for, it is immaterial.


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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Morality in the context of a collective society cannot be wrong. It is always correct, whether it is right or wrong is an individual distinction. Only when enough individuals agree that it is wrong, does it become wrong in the context of society. Do not confuse that, just because it is correct that society deems something right or wrong, it is right or wrong necessarily. That's not the argument here. Only that in a democratic society, the collective endorses, or rejects acts, or actions with the use of law. If it isn't legislated for, it is immaterial.


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    So when most of German Society thought it was OK to persecute the jews. That was right then?

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Morality in the context of a collective society cannot be wrong. It is always correct, whether it is right or wrong is an individual distinction. Only when enough individuals agree that it is wrong, does it become wrong in the context of society. Do not confuse that, just because it is correct that society deems something right or wrong, it is right or wrong necessarily. That's not the argument here. Only that in a democratic society, the collective endorses, or rejects acts, or actions with the use of law. If it isn't legislated for, it is immaterial.


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    Things that are legal are not legislated for. Only things that are destined to become illegal require legislation. The only thing society can collectively agree to is what they feel is wrong and thus should be illegal. This endorses the opposite behavior.

    Thus, there is no endorsement that stems from trying to make something legal. In actuality, all that is beign requested is a repeal of existing legislation.

    This does not endorse the behavior that is being "legalized". It only de-endorses the alternative behavior.

    For example, making homosexuality illegal is an endorsement of heterosexuality.Repealing such a law removes that endorsement of heterosexuality without providing an endorsment of homosexuality. Neither behavior is collectively endorsed. It leave sit up to the individual to decide.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    False dichotomy, eh?

    One can make the effort to de-illegalize something for reasons other than endorsing it
    And an example of this would be?

    On top of that, things are not "legalized". They are simply no longer illegalized.
    If something isn't illegal then what is it? Take prohibition; once legal, then illegal, then legal again? What about free speech, gun ownership? These are recognized rights not to be infringed upon. The law is the recognition of these rights. It is legal to speak freely, and to own a gun. What about the right to life and liberty; whether expressed or implied; to infringe on these inalienable rights, is illegal.

    It is not false to suggest no middle ground when there is none, only to infer no middle bround when in-fact one exists.


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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    To the Germans it was right, and the evidence is in the tacit approval. However, I caution you, 1930's Germany isn't the right analogy to Western style government, and the same rules do not apply. That was my qualifier, and I thought I was clear. In a free from coercive democracy, my assertion stands on its own merit.


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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    For example, making homosexuality illegal is an endorsement of heterosexuality.Repealing such a law removes that endorsement of heterosexuality without providing an endorsment of homosexuality. Neither behavior is collectively endorsed. It leave sit up to the individual to decide.
    The individual is the society when collected. Besides, repealing a law against homosexual marriage does nothing to remove any endorsement of heterosexuality, but it does endorse homosexuality, by definition.


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