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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Of course they are equal, which is why Due Process had to be used against them.

    Polygamists, not so much. Laws against polygamy are as bigoted as anti-sodomy laws.
    Where have I advocated anti-polygamy laws?
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Where have I advocated anti-polygamy laws?
    In your apathy.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    In your apathy.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    it seems the judge utilized the 10th Amendment in his ruling. if so, then this has the potential to get very interesting.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
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    By its very definition it is impossible to advocate through apathy, as it requires action to actually act in favor of the thing, not simply inaction in not supporting it.
    Oh?

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    There are reasons to include marriage of gays but not polygamy.
    Again I ask: What are these reasons, what it that argument?

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by PubliusInfinitu View Post
    Yet in 15 years of debating this... of the THOUSANDS of advocates of normalizing abnormality... NOT ONE has ever come CLOSE to accepting the simple fact that every whim of the homosexual lobbies stated goals could be met by simply incorporating.
    Or, even simpler, the bigots can be informed that someone else's marriage is, by definition, someone else's business, not theirs, and that the bigots can butt out.

    See how easy that is?

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by ScottD View Post
    Redress isn't subverting anything. Liberals are not subverting a SINGLE THING.
    Outside of the Constitution, you mean. Liberals and socialists are having a blast ripping that essential framework to shreds.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Or, even simpler, the bigots can be informed that someone else's marriage is, by definition, someone else's business, not theirs, and that the bigots can butt out.

    See how easy that is?
    If it's non of the bigot's business, why ask the bigot for his vote; why even discuss the issue with the bigot?

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Of course they are equal, which is why Due Process had to be used against them.

    Polygamists, not so much. Laws against polygamy are as bigoted as anti-sodomy laws.

    No, in some regards laws against polygamy reflect the inadequacy of current law to deal with the complexity of multiple concurrent marriages.

    How's a polygamous divorce work? What if three people want a fourth to go, but three others want her to stay? Would DNA tests be required to identify a child's father in custody battles? How is community property defined and how is it split up in the event of a divorce? What about inheritance laws, for example, when the principle wage earner dies, and his six spouses start squabbling over who's share is too big, before they each divorce each other?

    There's religious bigotry associated with anti-polygamy laws, but US law can't answer the questions right now.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    If it's non of the bigot's business, why ask the bigot for his vote; why even discuss the issue with the bigot?
    Because this is a representative democratic republic still mired in assorted anachronistic customs and the forms must be followed because that's how the law works.

    That still doesn't make what contracts two consenting adults enter into anyone else's business.

    I don't even know why anyone not involved in the wedding would care. Doesn't their own lives hold enough trouble to keep them busy?

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