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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Also, from another article from FoxNews on the same thing FOXNews.com - U.S. Judge Rules Federal Gay Marriage Ban Unconstitutional
    The rulings apply to Massachusetts but could have broader implications if they're upheld on appeal.
    This is a federal judge, and the ruling is by a Massachusetts court and only applies in that state. Honestly it doesn't surprise me that the courts Massachusetts would rule this way. DOMA is still law. If anything, this ruling is a good thing for states rights and would render Prop 8 in California legal (because a state by popular vote constitutionally defined marriage as a union between a man and woman).
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    The federal law banning gay marriage is unconstitutional because it interferes with the right of a state to define the institution
    It ruled in favor of a state's right to define marriage, which means state's like mine who ban it have every right to do so.
    That's not what this ruling says. It simply says the Federal Govt would have no basis to interfere if the individual State chooses to. That is different than it saying those states have done a morally neutral thing, which is what your wording implies.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    A state cannot refuse to recognize marriages if that is a violation of equal protection. It's the same argument as in Loving v Virginia.
    I suspect we will have to wait and see

    gay marriage raises interesting questions concerning objective prohibitions versus subjective concepts of attraction. EP is not clear cut

    gay men can marry women. that a gay man might not find a woman attractive (then again did Anna Nicole Smith find that old geezer attractive) gets into some really interesting questions



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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    A District Judge.....yeeaahhh...wake me up after SCOTUS rules.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    A District Judge.....yeeaahhh...wake me up after SCOTUS rules.
    Tauro has a pretty good rep. He is the last Nixon appointee not in senior status. He was a US attorney and is well respected.

    the real issue is what will the Circuit Court do. Some judges tend to get reversed, some tend to be cited by other judges



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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by teamosil View Post
    A state cannot refuse to recognize marriages if that is a violation of equal protection. It's the same argument as in Loving v Virginia.
    I believe standing could exist for equal protection claims.
    I don't believe you can use Loving as precedent because in the Loving case marriage was a criminal act and a jailable offense. That is not the case with current same sex marriage.
    The water is further muddied by the fact that the federal government issues no marriage licenses. So they do not deny marriage to anyone. Effectively DOMA is a statement about who they will provide benefits for.
    If it is going to be unfair for the government to deny benefits to people based on relationship status to the employed, then they essentially have to provide benefits to the employed and (X) number of people he wants on his insurance regardless of relationship status to the employed.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not sure I agree, seeing as how marriage certificates have much more far-reaching effects than CCW permits.
    The concept is the same. If the state's laws do not coincide with another state's law, they do not have to recognize the document as valid.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban Is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by TurtleDude View Post
    Tauro has a pretty good rep. He is the last Nixon appointee not in senior status. He was a US attorney and is well respected.

    the real issue is what will the Circuit Court do. Some judges tend to get reversed, some tend to be cited by other judges
    I think you're right, but I also trust in the losing side to seek appeals and injunctions until, one day, the issue is ruled on by SCOTUS.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    The state and federal/national government should get out of the marriage business.
    It should be all about civil unions for all aka contracts.
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