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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    And how exactly is GM beneficial?


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    Among other things, it promotes a stable home for raising children, just like with strait people.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Among other things, it promotes a stable home for raising children, just like with strait people.
    By definition, gays create a more stable home like than straight?
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    Whenever polygamy is brought up, it is a sure sign that anti-GM folks are losing and are grasping. Polygamy is not the same thing. It is not a sexual orientation, there is no evidence that it is beneficial, and there is nothing that indicates that it has any kind of widespread support. All this is, is a diversion, and is a failed one at that.
    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    See, they love to throw up the polygamy red herring because they aren't as stupid as they pretend to be. They know that all rulings on marriage up to this point define the contract based on two participants of the age of majority and their elevation of worth to each other, solely, in the eyes of the law. They think spewing nonsense about marrying sea urchins and toddlers and the whole hippy commune will deflect from the fact that they haven't got a leg to stand on when it comes to the right to contract coupled with equal protection in their pursuit to define marriage for the convenience of their archaic sensibilities.

    It's not so much a red herring as it is an idiotic appeal to the absurd. It just amuses me at this point.

    I'm going to say something, and I'm going to hope that the two of you both understand the level of honesty that I operate at enough to understand that I'm serious.

    I think that if SSM is legalized, failing to also legalize polygamy or group marriage would be discriminatory and hypocritical. I think at some point it will be recognized as discriminatory, whether that takes 2 years or 20.

    Is there evidence to demonstrate that adult-only polygamous marriage is a societal negative? Not that I know of. Would it be somewhat more complex legally? Yes, but that could be handled... there are legal complications in SSM that aren't as typically encountered in traditional marriage, namely custody issues for children that are genetically the product of one partner and an outsider by consent of the couple. If we can handle that some smart group of lawyers can come up with a legal structure to handle polygamy/group marriage.

    So many of the same arguments apply!

    How do you know polygamy isn't an orientation? Based on the number of people who have sex with more than one person at a time, one might argue that polyamory is an inborn trait in some substantial number of people.

    If it is wrong to deny two gay people who love each other the right to marry, why is it not wrong to deny four people who love each other the right to marry? You're depriving them of the right to file joint tax returns and be each other's legal next-of-kin.

    Just as some people associate homosexuality with pedophilia based on isolated incidents, you're associating polygamy with "marrying" underage girls based on a small sample of religious-extremists polygamists.

    To be frank, I consider a pro-SSM / Anti-Polygamy position to be hypocritical.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by PubliusInfinitu View Post
    ROFLMNAO! Sweet Mother whatta trainwreck.

    First: how does noting that Polygamy falls outside the established standard of marriage and accurately comparing that joining of more than two individuals is synonymous with the standard violating joining of two outies... or two inies... become 'a sure sign of losing'?

    How does that work? Any chance you can show us your math on that one?
    Because no one is advocating for polygamy here, because polygamy is different in key ways from gay marriage, and because this court ruling has jack **** to do with polygamy. We have covered all this in this very thread, do try and keep up.

    Second: No one has argued that Polygamy is identical to the sexual deviancy of homosexuality...
    Nd did CC claim this. He simply pointed out an important difference.

    Third: Who has suggested that Polygamy is a sexual orientation?
    When people make an assumption that because one thing is allowed, another must be, it is perfectly logical to point out why it would not be, and why they are different.

    Fourth: Polygamists would vehemently dispute your assertion that their 'lifestyle choice' is not beneficial... And they believe it every BIT as much as the pathetic sexual deviants who chose to seek sexual gratification through intercourse with individuals of their own gender; just as the pathetic sexual deviants who chose to seek sexual gratification through intercourse with individuals which have yet to grow to the age of consent, OKA: Pedophiles, VEHEMENTLY BELIEVE THAT THEIR PARTICULAR KINK is beneficial.
    Then let them present some evidence to back it up. In the course of these debates, a wealth of evidence has been presented to back up the benefits to society for GM.

    Fourth: how does a deviant, abnormal sexual orientation become acceptable as a means to violate the established, reasonable, well founded marriage standard that marriage consist of two individuals, each representing the distinct genders; and Polygamy does not?

    Homosexuals violate the standard regarding distinct genders and polygamist violate the stated acceptable volume of individuals.

    In truth, your would-be argument is little more than raw dissemblance... which never serves any purpose except to distract from the truth; thus you're the one advancing a distraction.
    Name calling as argument. I suppose I could point out that your post contained two "fourth" points too.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    By definition, gays create a more stable home like than straight?
    Since when did the phrase "just like" become the same thing as "more"? I chose my words for a reason.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Since when did the phrase "just like" become the same thing as "more"? I chose my words for a reason.
    Because they're fewer of them, therefore there must be a better chance of having the same quality of home life, just to be the same.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post

    How do you know polygamy isn't an orientation? Based on the number of people who have sex with more than one person at a time, one might argue that polyamory is an inborn trait in some substantial number of people.
    Just going to tackle this one point, since it is the key point to my mind. To the best of my knowledge, there is zero evidence that polygamy is an orientation of some sort. Homosexuality is known to be an orientation, as is heterosexuality.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Because they're fewer of them, therefore there must be a better chance of having the same quality of home life, just to be the same.
    Huh? That makes no sense, and has nothing to do with what I said.
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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    I shall conclude our debate because I have become a, you vs. Zyphlin mirror.
    We could be talking abut realestate and you would still be wrong. The right to contract is not without limit.

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    Re: Federal Gay Marriage Ban is Ruled Unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by peepnklown View Post
    The state and federal/national government should get out of the marriage business.
    I believe that the federal government should concentrate on the basics, like border security and leave states rights alone. States should be able to do just about anything they want to. That way if you a ****ing Marxist, you can move to Kali, or if you are an ignorant bigot, you can move to Idaho, and everyone can be happy

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