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    Final 'climategate' report released

    BBC News - CRU climate scientists 'did not withold data'

    The last of the three independent inquiries into the 'climategate' email frenzy has been released. Unsurprisingly, it echoes the previous two, clearing those involved of any attempt to mislead or hid data. It does criticise the 'lack of openness' of the research team - an criticism I agree with - but otherwise finds no evidence of wrongdoing, misdeeds or otherwise.
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    Re: Final 'climategate' report released

    I never believed there was some kind of "cover-up" going on. I read some of these Emails the media focused on and they proved nothing. IMO they were either taken out of context or were mis-read to satisfy those who are against the idea of global warming. I still haven't been convinced either way that global warming is real or not, but these Emails proved nothing for me.

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    Re: Final 'climategate' report released

    Quote Originally Posted by Jucon View Post
    I never believed there was some kind of "cover-up" going on. I read some of these Emails the media focused on and they proved nothing. IMO they were either taken out of context or were mis-read to satisfy those who are against the idea of global warming. I still haven't been convinced either way that global warming is real or not, but these Emails proved nothing for me.
    Not to mention that this entire "controversy" revolved solely around a single tree ring temperature reconstruction. Even if you deleted the CRU from history via a time machine you'd still have a mountain of evidence pointing towards global warming caused by human activity.
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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    Re: Final 'climategate' report released

    Someone is paying a little too much attention to Al Gore...

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not to mention that this entire "controversy" revolved solely around a single tree ring temperature reconstruction. Even if you deleted the CRU from history via a time machine you'd still have a mountain of evidence pointing towards global warming caused by human activity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Not to mention that this entire "controversy" revolved solely around a single tree ring temperature reconstruction. Even if you deleted the CRU from history via a time machine you'd still have a mountain of evidence pointing towards global warming caused by human activity.
    Hmm?
    I've read conflicting reports - one which points to an increase in growth of trees and the like due to higher CO2 levels.

    When all reports conflict and contradict I err on teh side of believing nothing.
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    Re: Final 'climategate' report released

    Quote Originally Posted by theangryamerican View Post
    Someone is paying a little too much attention to Al Gore...
    Al Gore is not a scientists and he doesn't do scientific research. The CRU project that is the subject of this "controversy" is a historical temperature reconstruction based on tree-ring data. Gore has nothing to do with this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Hmm?
    I've read conflicting reports - one which points to an increase in growth of trees and the like due to higher CO2 levels.

    When all reports conflict and contradict I err on teh side of believing nothing.
    There's more to climate research than temperature reconstructions from tree rings. You can dump the whole tree ring idea if you like, there's still tons of evidence pointing towards man-made increase in global temperatures.
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    Re: Final 'climategate' report released

    Until they allow climate skeptics to preform an independent search into all the info then I will never believe that these liars are vindicated. Anyone can "vindicate" themselves with "independent" reports into the issue when those looking into it are biased themselves and desperately want these guys to not come off as liars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    Until they allow climate skeptics to preform an independent search into all the info then I will never believe that these liars are vindicated. Anyone can "vindicate" themselves with "independent" reports into the issue when those looking into it are biased themselves and desperately want these guys to not come off as liars.
    I believe that just such an inquiry has already been launched - though I don't know when it's results would be published.

    If you feel that people on the panel were biased beforehand - when the report itself goes to great lengths to explain why this is not the case - it's up to you to prove why this is the case. That you (clearly) disagree with their findings is not proof enough.
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    Re: Final 'climategate' report released

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Al Gore is not a scientists and he doesn't do scientific research. The CRU project that is the subject of this "controversy" is a historical temperature reconstruction based on tree-ring data. Gore has nothing to do with this.



    There's more to climate research than temperature reconstructions from tree rings. You can dump the whole tree ring idea if you like, there's still tons of evidence pointing towards man-made increase in global temperatures.
    I'm well aware that Al Gore was not specifically involved, it was just a general stab at you for espousing the view that I bolded above.
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    Re: Final 'climategate' report released

    Quote Originally Posted by iangb View Post
    I believe that just such an inquiry has already been launched - though I don't know when it's results would be published.

    If you feel that people on the panel were biased beforehand - when the report itself goes to great lengths to explain why this is not the case - it's up to you to prove why this is the case. That you (clearly) disagree with their findings is not proof enough.
    The investigation was set up by the University of East Anglia. I highly doubt they would be unbiased towards their scientists. Plus, I'm sure if these things turn out not favorable the school would lose credibility and money. They would be shooting themselves in order to bring about justice. This would be comparable to Bush looking into 9/11 and selecting members to do an "independent" investigation of 9/11. Say they proved without a doubt that terrorists were the cause and not the Bush administration, do you think this would satisfy 9/11 skeptics?

    I do feel people on the panel were biased, as the panel was set up by EAU in order to vindicate major and extremely famous scientists from EAU that push for anthropogenic global warming. Their work is some of what the IPCC draws upon. Do you really think they would be fair and unbiased, and even be willing to admit their dishonesty if proven? I will look more into this, but why should I trust a vindicating report that was set up by the university itself?

    I challenge you to find 1 organization that did the "independent" reports into the scandal that wouldn't benefit from CRU being vindicated or was a climate skeptic themselves.
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