Final 'climategate' report released

VanceMack said:

Actually I have read far more from both sides than you could ever possibly imagine nor would believe. Climate change isnt a mystery to mankind...its occured since the earth was formed and we have had climates. The only mystery is how people can be so completely gullible as to accept that we have HAD these undeniable historical events but THIS one...to whatever extent it is...THIS one is caused by man.

And heres the truly sad part...BECAUSE there have been so many lies and overexaggerations and flat out deceptions coupled with the do as I say not as I do behaviors of douchebags like Al Gore, the common ground we could find...you and me...you know...pollution controls...improving air quality, rivers, etc...gets lost in the 17 foot walls of water

If the proof they had was real and legit they would be PROUD of it...up front about it...they wouldnt be planting temp sensors on blacktops and next to air conditioning exhaust vents. They wouldnt be tricking computer models.

But you go on and believe whatever you want.

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Have a look at mankind's total population over the course of history; note how it exponentially increaces over the last couple of centuaries.
Have a look at the gasses that contribute to global warming, and then compare that what we've been releasing ever since the Industrial Revolution.
Have a look at the large hole in the ozone layer (or, y'know, scans of it) - and have a look at the tactics used by the CFC-producing companies of the time, protesting that mankind couldn't possibly be affecting it. Compare them to today's arguments against AGW, and note all the similarities.

That should show you why this time, it was probably our fault. We've damaged the atmosphere once already - and the only reason that that one didn't get argued about quite so much was because one of the big CFC producers aquired the rights to mass-produce a sellable replacement for them, and happily switched sides in the argument. Huma population has skyrockedted in recent times - and we've been spewing out just the gasses which are easilly provable to have a warming effect.

As for 'real and legit proof' - have a look at the IPCC report and scientists attitudes towards it - 'proud of it' might not quite be the right description, but 'in overwhelming support of it' certainly does.

danarhea said:

Just a weird observation here from me - I find it quite interesting that many of those who are accusing scientists of coverups and manipulation of data were so quick to defend the manipulation of data that led us into Iraq, without even blinking an eye, or asking a single question.

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It's a good thing I'm not one of those people defending incomplete data regarding Iraq. What we can learn from the Iraq mistake is that international consensus does not equal truth or infallibility. The majority of the world saw Sadam as a thread and believed he had WMDs.