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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Then leave the legal stuff to the state, and the actual marriage stuff to private institutions.
    When have I don otherwise?

    Tell me, why is affirming Domestic Partnership anti-gay in CA but pro-gay in Hawaii?

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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    When have I don otherwise?

    Tell me, why is affirming Domestic Partnership anti-gay in CA but pro-gay in Hawaii?
    I dunno? I believe that heterosexual couples and homosexual couples should be treated equally under the law. However, I think that marriage should be kept private with the state only intervening with joining people legally.
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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    No, it would have made gay unions on an equal benefit level with marriage without calling it marriage.
    I thought this was the whole reason why conservatives supported civil unions since it would give all the benefits of marriage to gay couples without destroying the sanctity of the institution. Now that isn't good enough for you?
    Quote Originally Posted by disgbe View Post
    This is a victory for citizens who would be allowed to vote and define what marriage is in their state.
    Hawaii has no process to allow initiatives or referendums. The only way citizens can define what marriage is is to elect like minded officials to the state's legislature who then write and vote on bills. So indirectly this bill was what the people of Hawaii wanted.

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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    I truly can't even believe this is coming under debate, ok you disagree with marriage because you think it's sacred or ___ insert reason here. Now people don't even want them to have equal right unions? It's not marriage bet the next best thing and people are still against it. That to me is borderline bigotry

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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    I dunno? I believe that heterosexual couples and homosexual couples should be treated equally under the law. However, I think that marriage should be kept private with the state only intervening with joining people legally.
    Yeah that just doesn't make any sence at all.

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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by BCR View Post
    I truly can't even believe this is coming under debate, ok you disagree with marriage because you think it's sacred or ___ insert reason here. Now people don't even want them to have equal right unions? It's not marriage bet the next best thing and people are still against it. That to me is borderline bigotry
    So why do you hate gays so much that you want to designate their unions as anything other than "marriage"? Why the push for second-class status?

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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Jerry View Post
    Yeah that just doesn't make any sence at all.
    The government handles stuff like allowing you to get a joint bank account, being executor of your spouse's will, ect and calls it a civil union

    Being an ordained minister and officiating the ceremony that joins two or more people into a partnership until death or divorce court do they part is all private.
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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    "The voters should decide" is just an excuse to cover bigotry. The people of Hawaii did decide when they elected their representatives.
    You don't know that. For many people, I think homosexual relationship issues are pretty far down the list of concerns when it comes to voting, if they even consider it at all. Maybe they just can't frikken afford leftist reps.

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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    The government handles stuff like allowing you to get a joint bank account, being executor of your spouse's will, ect and calls it a civil union.
    You don't have to be married for those things.

    Quote Originally Posted by DrunkenAsparagus View Post
    Being an ordained minister and officiating the ceremony that joins two or more people into a partnership until death or divorce court do they part is all private.
    See that just doesn't follow. Please use more words.

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    Re: Hawaii Gov. Vetoes Same-Sex Civil Unions Bill

    "The subject of this legislation has touched the hearts and minds of our citizens as no other social issue of our day," Lingle said. "It would be a mistake to allow a decision of this magnitude to be made by one individual or a small group of elected officials."
    Isn't that the point of a Republic? We elect officials who will vote on these things?

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