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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    meh sorry I get confused sometimes. I just see DA and think Defense Attorney not District Attorney. That's where my confusion came from.

    And you're right they have damning evidence against the Black Panthers. I have said this since my first post. They should charged for it and be put in jail/given heavy fines and all that jazz. But the case was dropped. Now here's were the switch-a-roo comes into play! See the people who dropped the case are NOT the Black Panthers they aren't the ones who showed up at polling stations to intimidate voters. So a video of Black Panthers intimidating voters doesn't really work as damning evidence against people who aren't the Black Panthers. Now if we had a recording of our friendly whistle-blower being told to drop the case because of political reasons, well THEN we would have damning evidence against them. But we don't, we have the word of one man. The word of one man is good enough to look into the whole situation because I agree it does reek of something sinister.... but the word of one man is not damning proof against them.

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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Let's look at the law and then review the complete circumstances surrounding what these New Black Panther members did - or rather what the one individual in question did - and then make a rational decision.

    The Voters Rights Act, Sec. 11(b) reads:



    So, what did the one member in question of the New Black Pather party do? He utter hostile or otherwise threatening words directed at white voters outside a polling place in Philly:



    He made these statements right outside a polling place and his words were directed at white voters. So, under the law he should have been prosecuted, right? Well, let's look at the specifics of the law again because as legal history has shown, words AND actions on both sides - the person doing the intimidating, threatening, coersion, etc, and those who allegedly are threatened - play a role here.


    Clearly, his words were mean spirited, hateful and threatening. But who did he intimidate? Did he directly intimidate, threaten or coerce any white voter and stop them from casting their vote? Was any white voter denied their right to vote as a direct result of his words? (In other words, did any white voter turn away from the polling place because they were affraid of him or the New Black Pather members who were present?)

    I understand how some people view this incident. In all honesty, his actions really aren't that much different from white hate groups, i.e., the Klan or any of its knock-offs, who would do the same thing to blacks. But here's the difference...

    Throughout the history of the Black Pather party, no member has ever been prosecuted for violating Section 11(b) of the Voters Rights Act...until now. To put it another way, no voters rights or civil rights case made against members of the Black Pathers has ever been succesfully prosecuted whereby it was proven that their actions denied a white person his or her right to vote. So you ask, "How could I make the claim that these members were prosecuted? From the FoxNews article in the OP:



    In otherwords, a plea bargain was reached, but you have to ask yourself why wasn't this case pursued to the fullest extent of the law? Well, consider that:

    a. No one was hurt.
    b. No voter was denied their right to vote.
    c. It's the individuals protected right to free speech; the only knock is he happen to make such a vile statement outside a polling place on the night of the Presidential election.

    Although there apparently is evidence that this wasn't the first time this has happened in recent history w/the New Black Pather party, there hasn't been any evidence to my knowledge (that has been made publicly atleast) that shows that any white voters were denied their right to vote. In fact, according to atleast one website that has covered this incident, some eyewiteness to the Philly account have stated that they saw white voters laughing at the individual who spoke. Clearly, no one was intimidate by his words, and that's the key here, folks.

    Before responding to this thread, I did some research and no better commentary as to how insignificant this issue is can be summarized better than the words from Abigail Thernstrom, the Republican vice-chair of the U.S. Commission on Civil Rights, who not only called this incident "small potatoes, but also considers it to be a "manufactured controversy" by his own party.

    From MediaMatters.com:



    In the grand scheme of things, I'd have to agree with him. Again, I understand how polarized this incident has become; whites in particular want "tit-for-tat" justice, but really how does this compare with the voting rights denied of African-Americans since before the 15th Amendement, the Civil Rights Act and the Voters Rights Act were all passed? Believe me, I understand where many whites (and Conservatives) are coming from because as an African-American, I've been on that side of racial injustice. But when you really take the racial and partician blinders off, what real harm has this small trio of racially bias individuals done other than communicating a threat and uttering hate speech?
    Bla bla bla, you bolded, you copied/pasted it, and yet you still don't get it. "Attempt" is the key word.

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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozengale View Post
    meh sorry I get confused sometimes. I just see DA and think Defense Attorney not District Attorney. That's where my confusion came from.

    And you're right they have damning evidence against the Black Panthers. I have said this since my first post. They should charged for it and be put in jail/given heavy fines and all that jazz. But the case was dropped. Now here's were the switch-a-roo comes into play! See the people who dropped the case are NOT the Black Panthers they aren't the ones who showed up at polling stations to intimidate voters. So a video of Black Panthers intimidating voters doesn't really work as damning evidence against people who aren't the Black Panthers. Now if we had a recording of our friendly whistle-blower being told to drop the case because of political reasons, well THEN we would have damning evidence against them. But we don't, we have the word of one man. The word of one man is good enough to look into the whole situation because I agree it does reek of something sinister.... but the word of one man is not damning proof against them.
    As long as you see the obvious linkage I will agree we have no direct evidence that they did it for poliitcal reasons.
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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    As long as you see the obvious linkage I will agree we have no direct evidence that they did it for poliitcal reasons.

    That's what I've been saying for the last 8 pages.

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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozengale View Post
    That's what I've been saying for the last 8 pages.
    Not exactly. You fought me at every turn when I said we had proof of their breakage of the law then for some reason you went after the DA angle.
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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Color me shocked.



    Again, color me shocked.



    Bull****. The headline attacks were less than 24 hours. There wasn't time for this guy to be hoisted up by the right.

    But considering your bias I'm not surprised you don't see that
    What proof do you have? Like I said, I remember this very clearly because I was assigned to write about it and the headline was something like "Joe the Plumber: GOP Messiah?". I'd like to see a timeline with these "attack" headlines

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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Not exactly. You fought me at every turn when I said we had proof of their breakage of the law then for some reason you went after the DA angle.
    No I conceded at every turn that we have evidence of them breaking the law but that we don't have evidence (aside from the guy's testimony) that they dropped the case for political reasons.

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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    Quote Originally Posted by somepeoplesay View Post
    What proof do you have? Like I said, I remember this very clearly because I was assigned to write about it and the headline was something like "Joe the Plumber: GOP Messiah?". I'd like to see a timeline with these "attack" headlines
    Easily done.

    The Washington Post wasted no time

    Joe the Plumber is not exactly a plumber, he's "not even close" to making the kind of money that would result in higher taxes from Democrat Barack Obama's proposals and has such an aversion to taxes that a lien was filed against him by the state of Ohio.

    Joe the Plumber: Not a Licensed Plumber | 44 | washingtonpost.com

    The same day with the new york times and even his home paper

    Now where are all the Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh interviews hoisting this guy up before that article?
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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozengale View Post
    No I conceded at every turn that we have evidence of them breaking the law but that we don't have evidence (aside from the guy's testimony) that they dropped the case for political reasons.
    Sigh. Your own words

    Yes which is why you can INVESTIGATE the matter. But I hate to think of a world where one can be condemned by just the hearsay of one man.
    Right here you deny there is enough evidence of a conviction.

    Read your own words more carefully next time.
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    Re: Ex-Official Accuses Justice Department of Racial Bias in Black Panther Case

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    Sigh. Your own words



    Right here you deny there is enough evidence of a conviction.

    Read your own words more carefully next time.
    I'm talking about investigating those who dropped the case, not the Black Panthers. And you just conceded that we don't have solid evidence against them, only the Black Panthers. I've never argued that we don't have the evidence for the Panthers, just the Justice Department.

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