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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Correct. This will adversely affect neighboring states, but it will ONLY benefit Arizona. Which is really the purpose of a state law.

    i.e. A particular state stops providing non essential services to illegals...In short, gang bangers move. Crime drops and stays down. Business supporting illegals leave, the state.

    The surrounding states complain that all the illegals and crime moved there.

    We are back to square one
    This could be said about a lot of laws that one state may pass. Take CA for example, pass more strict vehicle smog standards. One state may increase taxes forcing people to move to a lower tax state. Point is, Feds need to enforce the law.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    This could be said about a lot of laws that one state may pass. Take CA for example, pass more strict vehicle smog standards. One state may increase taxes forcing people to move to a lower tax state. Point is, Feds need to enforce the law.
    However, what's the alternative? The Feds are categorically ignoring the problem, either do to lack of political will or through some cynical policy designed to enhance the liberal voting block. At any rate, nothing meaningful is being done at the Fed level.

    So, a state a like AZ is taking action, but where in hell are the others? Make no mistake, its a great first step. Who knows, maybe it will cause, the Feds to stop acting like the problem doesn't exist, but MORE states have to get involved and present a solid, unified front

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Arizona's law will not have much effect nationally.
    I do not think Arizonans care if illegals flee to sanctuary states.Arizonans are worried about illegal immigration in their state and that is why they enacted SB1070.
    It will adversely affect neighboring states.
    If those neighboring states are sanctuary states then I do not think they will have a problem with illegals fleeing to their states. Therefore it is not adverse to those states.

    Now, if other states start joining, the pressure would be enormous and thats what is needed. Obama is simply afraid that other states will begin to follow along and soon the states wouldn't need so much fed govt...

    Thats the bottom line
    States taking Arizona and Oklahoma's lead means that Amnesty is that much harder to pass because it proved that simply enforcing the law will deter illegal immigration and encourage illegals to go home to sanctuary states.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    However, what's the alternative? The Feds are categorically ignoring the problem, either do to lack of political will or through some cynical policy designed to enhance the liberal voting block. At any rate, nothing meaningful is being done at the Fed level.

    Seeing how the feds want to push Amnesty with hollow promises of enforcement like the Reagan Amnesty I will be satisfied for now with states doing what they can to crack down on illegal immigration.

    So, a state a like AZ is taking action, but where in hell are the others?
    Praising Arizona: Lawmakers in nearly 20 other states pushing similar immigration legislation
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    your enchilada ass should get booted back where you came from.
    Yeah, there is no bigotry involved in this issue.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    However, what's the alternative? The Feds are categorically ignoring the problem, either do to lack of political will or through some cynical policy designed to enhance the liberal voting block. At any rate, nothing meaningful is being done at the Fed level.

    So, a state a like AZ is taking action, but where in hell are the others? Make no mistake, its a great first step. Who knows, maybe it will cause, the Feds to stop acting like the problem doesn't exist, but MORE states have to get involved and present a solid, unified front
    I agree and have been supporting 1070 since the start. I live in AZ and things have got to improve.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by texmaster View Post
    But the feds aren't using it. So what do you tell the people? Sorry?
    Your point is well taken. Maybe we sue the gov't for not doing their job? You know how much AZ has to spend on this issue because of the fed's lack of action?

    And, sadly, had AZ not passed the law, it would still be a non issue with Obama, and congress.

    How do we get the fed's off their ass to deal with this issue??

    We blame the prez, why not congress? McCain and Kyle for AZ try to be the poster boys of this issue in the senate, yet in 2008 neither were ringing the bell.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So your problem is that the law is just an AZ thing, and it's the Feds who need to be acting.

    The fact they are not is why the AZ law happened, somehow, I think you don't know why you are agains teh AZ.
    I disagree with you. I am against it because this is a federal responsibility. Why should my tax dollars go for enforcing this law?
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    Thats good! Do the same thing across the country and they will continue towards Canada - the real beneficiaries of NAFTA.

    Let Canada handle, the pesky problem
    If we got rid of NAFTA there might not be as bad of a problem to begin with.

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    I disagree with you. I am against it because this is a federal responsibility. Why should my tax dollars go for enforcing this law?
    If you pay federal taxes then isn't your tax dollars already go for enforcing the law(Token enforcement of the law on the federal level)?

    Besides that your tax dollars go for not enforcing the law. Do you think the money used to pay for the education of anchor babies and other children of illegals is free? Do you think its free to incarcerate an illegal if that illegal commits a crime other than illegal immigration? Do you think health care for illegals is free? Do you think its free when welfare has to be handed out to those who wages were artificially depressed due to illegal immigration?

    This is what it cost Californians to not deal with illegal immigration and those costs keep rising.
    Illegal Immigration Costs California $10.5 Billion Annually
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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