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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by OmniRocky View Post
    How dare Arizona enforce Federal Law! And how telling it is that Obama is using the courts to fight them...
    In a speech about it Obama said that the federal law is impossible to enforce, or words to that effect. He also inferred that it causes profiling. The same thing could be said about some of the mandatory drug testing laws that they do enforce.

    Does profiling have to involve race to be bad or is it unfair to profile on occupations or economic classes?
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Only problem to that is that ICE is way undermanned, and underfunded, and when called upon to enforce the law, it seems they have been ordered to back off.


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    They are undermanned because the past million administrations have failed to pour money into securing our border. The whole problem is that the federal gov't, including your beloved Regan, Bush 1 and 2, and Clinton failed to deal with the issue because they lacked balls and feared political reprecussions. Although I don't agree with the law, I do agree AZ had to do something. No other Prez, Congress, or State had balls to do something.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    They are undermanned because the past million administrations have failed to pour money into securing our border. The whole problem is that the federal gov't, including your beloved Regan, Bush 1 and 2, and Clinton failed to deal with the issue because they lacked balls and feared political reprecussions. Although I don't agree with the law, I do agree AZ had to do something. No other Prez, Congress, or State had balls to do something.
    So you slam Bush, Reagan and Clinton for doing nothing, but you "don 't agree with" a law that actually does something about it. Amazing. Pray tell, what's bad about this law?
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    The only negative issue is even if Arizona wins, it will adversely affect neighboring states, such as Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, etc, etc....even Texas lol because, the law will make it more difficult for illegal aliens to move about and make it a less hospitable state. Consequently, hordes of illegals will move away from Arizona. Illegals will just say "**** it" in espanol and avoid the state.
    good point. Arizona's law does nothing for the nation, it protects Arizona. Legals and illegals are leaving in high numbers, but they are not going back to china, mexico, canada, england, they are going to LA, NM, Texas, Colorado, Oregon, NV.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    So you slam Bush, Reagan and Clinton for doing nothing, but you "don 't agree with" a law that actually does something about it. Amazing. Pray tell, what's bad about this law?
    Bottom line, it is a federal law. The AZ law is enforced by one state, AZ, no other state. So what does the law do, keep them out of AZ. Does it secure the border? Does it prevent illegal immigration? Give the feds the money to build a freaking wall, moot, etc. Hire troops or Border Agents to patrol. Frankly, we are unsecured. As you said a long time ago, we have the federal law. Let's use it.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by LiberalAvenger View Post

    Does profiling have to involve race to be bad or is it unfair to profile on occupations or economic classes?
    That's why you profile behavior rather than skin color.

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Bottom line, it is a federal law. The AZ law is enforced by one state, AZ, no other state. So what does the law do, keep them out of AZ. Does it secure the border? Does it prevent illegal immigration? Give the feds the money to build a freaking wall, moot, etc. Hire troops or Border Agents to patrol. Frankly, we are unsecured. As you said a long time ago, we have the federal law. Let's use it.
    But the feds aren't using it. So what do you tell the people? Sorry?
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    The governor made a great point.

    Obama and the feds are suing Arizona for passing a law to enforce Federal Law while Sanctuary Cities openly defy the federal law and Obama does nothing.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Bottom line, it is a federal law. The AZ law is enforced by one state, AZ, no other state. So what does the law do, keep them out of AZ. Does it secure the border? Does it prevent illegal immigration? Give the feds the money to build a freaking wall, moot, etc. Hire troops or Border Agents to patrol. Frankly, we are unsecured. As you said a long time ago, we have the federal law. Let's use it.
    So your problem is that the law is just an AZ thing, and it's the Feds who need to be acting.

    The fact they are not is why the AZ law happened, somehow, I think you don't know why you are agains teh AZ.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by TBone View Post
    Bottom line, it is a federal law. The AZ law is enforced by one state, AZ, no other state. So what does the law do, keep them out of AZ. Does it secure the border? Does it prevent illegal immigration? Give the feds the money to build a freaking wall, moot, etc. Hire troops or Border Agents to patrol. Frankly, we are unsecured. As you said a long time ago, we have the federal law. Let's use it.
    Correct. This will adversely affect neighboring states, but it will ONLY benefit Arizona. Which is really the purpose of a state law.

    i.e. A particular state stops providing non essential services to illegals...In short, gang bangers move. Crime drops and stays down. Business supporting illegals leave, the state.

    The surrounding states complain that all the illegals and crime moved there.

    We are back to square one

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