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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    BOB CHRISTIE (AP) - Associated Press Writer PHOENIX The U.S. Justice Department is filing a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of Arizona's tough new law targeting illegal immigrants.

    AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Well, now we know the case will be the Feds claiming Usurption.. is that a word?? of Federal Authority. Not smart at all to make that the crux of the debate. IF they lose this, and I'm betting they will, it will open the door for States to challenge the Federal Government in all manner of "failing to" issues.
    States actually solving the illegal immigration problems means that it is that much harder for Obama to push for amnesty.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    States actually solving the illegal immigration problems means that it is that much harder for Obama to push for amnesty.
    I would not call it amnesty. I would call it pandering and granting certain people special privileges and immunities like a king.

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    Congress has no consitutional authority over immigration.
    Really?

    immigration law: an overview
    Federal immigration law determines whether a person is an alien, the rights, duties, and obligations associated with being an alien in the United States, and how aliens gain residence or citizenship within the United States. It also provides the means by which certain aliens can become legally naturalized citizens with full rights of citizenship. Immigration law serves as a gatekeeper for the nation's border, determining who may enter, how long they may stay, and when they must leave.

    Congress has complete authority over immigration. Presidential power does not extend beyond refugee policy. Except for questions regarding aliens' constitutional rights, the courts have generally found the immigration issue as nonjusticiable.

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    Immigration | LII / Legal Information Institute

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    You might have missed the word "constitutional" in my post.
    Tucker Case - Tard magnet.

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by Tucker Case View Post
    You might have missed the word "constitutional" in my post.
    Article I Section 1:
    All legislative powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives.

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    If they rule that the AZ immigration law is un-constitutional, then every local gun law in the nation is un-constitutional, because state and local governments can't usurp the Constitution.
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    Only problem to that is that ICE is way undermanned, and underfunded, and when called upon to enforce the law, it seems they have been ordered to back off.


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    regardles...the federal government CLEARLY indicated it saw that immigration enforcement is indeed a state responsibility and it obligated funds to train state and local officials. Now they are trying to claim its the jurisdiction of the fed only. It doesnt work.

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    If the administration stance is Arizona law is illegal because it steps over federal authority. Then wouldn’t local / state laws covering any federal law be illegal? For example bank robbery is covered under federal regulation (TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 103 > § 2113). If local LE goes after the bank robber would that not be stepping on federal authority? It seems this Administration wants to pick and choose what laws they will enforce.
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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by mike2810 View Post
    If the administration stance is Arizona law is illegal because it steps over federal authority. Then wouldn’t local / state laws covering any federal law be illegal? For example bank robbery is covered under federal regulation (TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 103 > § 2113). If local LE goes after the bank robber would that not be stepping on federal authority? It seems this Administration wants to pick and choose what laws they will enforce.
    This will be what Obama uses to justify the orginization of his Praetorian Gaurd.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: AP Source: Feds suing to stop Ariz. immigrant law

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    "Nonjusticiable", wow what a word. Home

    When they want to change the law, the legal scholars just make up a new word. We are ****ed.
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