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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Cambodians--the Khmer Rouge--aren't stupid, either. But, do we really want NASA to improve relations with the Khmer Rouge?

    if someone suggested that NASA should improve relations with Christians, the Leftists would sound like a coup fulla chickens, "Churchandstate! Churchandstate! Churchandstate!"
    I was wondering if someone else would see this as I read through the thread. If the placing of nativity scenes, or praying in schools are a violation of the separation of church and state, using a government agency to reach out to a religion has to also be a violation.... can't have it both ways.
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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

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    Please tell me you are joking. The Islamic world simply became the caretaker of the ideas from the West and once the West got back on its feet, the Muslim world in the middle east went back to their primitive way of life.
    What a bunch of bullcrap. So it was actually the West that critically expanded on Algebra? Most those stars that have Arabic names? Really invented by the West. Same with the scientific method. The West invented it, forgot about it, then somehow relearned it. Ibn Haytham's Book of Optics was actually written by someone in the West.

    From Robert Briffault's book The Making of Humanity:
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    The debt of our science to that of the Arabs does not consist in startling discoveries or revolutionary theories; science owes a great deal more to Arab culture, it owes its existence. The ancient world was, as we saw, pre-scientific. The astronomy and mathematics of the Greeks were a foreign importation never thoroughly acclimatized in Greek culture. The Greeks systematized, generalized and theorized, but the patient ways of investigation, the accumulation of positive knowledge, the minute methods of science, detailed and prolonged observation, experimental inquiry, were altogether alien to the Greek temperament. [...] What we call science arose in Europe as a result of a new spirit of inquiry, of new methods of investigation, of the method of experiment, observation, measurement, of the development of mathematics in a form unknown to the Greeks. That spirit and those methods were introduced into the European world by the Arabs.
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    Go ahead and explain how most are still living as their ancestors did before this so called "golden age" today.
    Yeah, Western imperialism and colonialism had nothing to do with that... You probably have no idea that up until the British invasion of India, India was the de fact richest country in the world. Now look at it.
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    You can then explain how women's rights have stayed hundreds of years in the past while the rest of the world matured around them.
    Look at pre-Islam Arabia and tell me Islam didn't advance woman's rights. Oh wait, you cannot look at history with an objective viewpoint so I think I will explain it to you. Prior to Islam, newborn daughters were usually buried alive in the desert of Arabia. Prior to Islam, a woman's main function was that of property. Before she was married she was the property of her family. After she was married she was the property of her husband. Islam liberated women of the harsh polytheistic beliefs Arabians had about women. You probably didn't know this (no surprise), but the first Muslim was a woman. You probably don't this (no surprise), but women are the majority of new converts to Islam as of 2010.

    Come back when you actually want to intellectual debate and not just one where you post ignorant statements devoid of history.

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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

    Quote Originally Posted by Crunch View Post
    I was wondering if someone else would see this as I read through the thread. If the placing of nativity scenes, or praying in schools are a violation of the separation of church and state, using a government agency to reach out to a religion has to also be a violation.... can't have it both ways.
    Raising awareness about contributions to science and engineering is not the same thing as pushing a religion onto school children. False equivalency.
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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

    Oh, I caught the subtlety in apdst's comment, but we're not necessarily discussing which gov't agency should or should not be opening up diplomatic relations w/Muslim nations where science and technology is concerned (though I'm sure that would be the role of the State Department). Right now, we're discussion the practicality of the matter.

    Besides, I seriously doubt you'd ever take the religious aspect out of the equation where Muslim nations are concerned. Everything they do is based heavily in their religious culture. But then again, isn't that how this nation got started?

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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    Umm, we do it all the time with Israel.

    Since its creation.
    Umm, Israel is a nation, not a religion.
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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Umm, Israel is a nation, not a religion.
    It's a nation of predominantly Jews. Named after the Kingdom of Israel.

    There is no point in being obtuse.

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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    It's a nation of predominantly Jews. Named after the Kingdom of Israel.

    There is no point in being obtuse.
    Then you should stop being obtuse.
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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    Then you should stop being obtuse.
    Well seeing as how Israel demands that it be recognized as a Jewish state, you're the only one being obtuse here.

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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

    Quote Originally Posted by Degreez View Post
    What a bunch of bullcrap. So it was actually the West that critically expanded on Algebra? Most those stars that have Arabic names? Really invented by the West. Same with the scientific method. The West invented it, forgot about it, then somehow relearned it. Ibn Haytham's Book of Optics was actually written by someone in the West.

    From Robert Briffault's book The Making of Humanity:
    The making of humanity - Google Books
    Still quoting books no one can verify. Typical Degreez.

    Yeah, Western imperialism and colonialism had nothing to do with that... You probably have no idea that up until the British invasion of India, India was the de fact richest country in the world. Now look at it.p
    LOL So you're blaming whitey for entering new land and forming colonies. So you're admitting the West advanced beyond the Middle East. Thanks for that.

    And India is rapidly modernizing beceause they don't have a majority of the country still being told by their religion that women are property.

    Look at pre-Islam Arabia and tell me Islam didn't advance woman's rights. Oh wait, you cannot look at history with an objective viewpoint so I think I will explain it to you. Prior to Islam, newborn daughters were usually buried alive in the desert of Arabia. Prior to Islam, a woman's main function was that of property. Before she was married she was the property of her family. After she was married she was the property of her husband. Islam liberated women of the harsh polytheistic beliefs Arabians had about women. You probably didn't know this (no surprise), but the first Muslim was a woman. You probably don't this (no surprise), but women are the majority of new converts to Islam as of 2010.

    Come back when you actually want to intellectual debate and not just one where you post ignorant statements devoid of history.
    ROFLOL Now that was good. So you consider advancement in the Muslim world that children aren't buried alive but its still ok to treat them like property and to hit them?

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    Now that's progress!

    Thanks for the laugh.
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    Re: NASA Chief: Next Frontier Better Relations With Muslim World

    Absolutely atrocious, texmaster. Unfortunately, as it was in the Dark Ages, the best way to maintain control over their part of that religion is usually through violence and fear. This in turn prevents the majority of their members from even thinking about speaking out against these atrocities even if they are committed against their own children.

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