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Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

Well - that's what Arizona's actually doing with SB 1070 - enforcing existing laws and cutting off work permits and imploying stiff fines for hiring/harboring illegals.

And the government's suing them for it and other places are pretending to boycott claiming it's outrageous.

True... there are some good parts to SB 1070... but there are some ugly parts as well, including some vague language that can promote racial profiling. The vague language is the basis of the suit. A bill can have redeeming qualities and still be a bad bill just a bill can have some problems with it and still be generally a good bill.
 
1. Its actually not a crime to be here illegally, therefore violators are not criminal
2. If it were a crime, one would have to have been convicted of the offense to be labeled a criminal
3. and what you are advocating amounts to punishment, which can only be rendered after conviction...

It's not a crime to be here illegally?
Ah - if it's ILLEGAL then that means it's NOT legal - which means it's a crime :shrug:
 
True... there are some good parts to SB 1070... but there are some ugly parts as well, including some vague language that can promote racial profiling. The vague language is the basis of the suit. A bill can have redeeming qualities and still be a bad bill just a bill can have some problems with it and still be generally a good bill.

They've changed that vague language to make it more specific - and the majority fo the bill itself addresses the issues of fines, fees, and harboring and hiring illegals.
(I've read the bill - there's not much too it)

You can't just ignore a problem because of possible race-issues that come with it it.
Just because the majority of people who do a certain bad something are a certain race doesn't mean that their bad something deserves a blind eye - or that tackling that problem means you're focusing on their *race* at the center of it.
 
1. Its actually not a crime to be here illegally, therefore violators are not criminal
2. If it were a crime, one would have to have been convicted of the offense to be labeled a criminal
3. and what you are advocating amounts to punishment, which can only be rendered after conviction...

Ahh...confusing illegal people with criminals??

The act of being in the country illegally means that they are criminals by definition. If they then contribute to the overall level of crime wherever they set up shop then they are doubly guilty. The housing, employment etc. of illegals is aiding and abbeting criminals and those guilty of it should be punished accordingly.
 
It is not a right. It is a service," Barry Wong, candidate for the Arizona Corporation Commission, told The Arizona Republic.

Sounds perfectly reasonable.

Since the criminals don't have a legal right to be in the country, they don't have a legal right to electricity in this nation, either.

And there's no reason a state utility should be forced to be an accomplice for someone else's illegal activity.

Under the drug laws the Left supports, the power companies routinely provide infomation to the DEA on residences that consume power consistent with marijuana "grow" lights, and this has been upheld by the courts.

No reason the same power companies can't report to ICE the names and addresses of suspected Invaders their search of their own databases reveals.

Invaders that don't want the power utilities to turn this information over to ICE should stop using electricity. IF, for some strange reason, they want elecricity, there's power companies in Mexico that will be glad to sell it to them, but those companies do not provide services north of the border, so the Invader will have to go home if he wants a cold Corona in his 'fridge.

ANYTHING that makes a criminal Invader feel less welcome, anything that increases his urge to go back to Mexico, anything that makes his life as a criminal fugitive as uncomfortable as possible, is something that we should endeavor to create for the Invader.
 
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Other then they would have paid for them,

But realistically how on earth is the power company going to know if somebody is illegal?

The credit check they perform before signing you up for service includes, oh SURPRISE SURPRISE, the offering of your socialst security number, which will then be checked for validity.

Not valid, no power.

Not valid, and reported to ICE and the SSA and the DHS, too.
 
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Now this I don't agree with - even prisoner's in jail get electricity :shrug:

No one's allowing the prisoners in jail to go back home.

Last time I checked, the US isn't a prison, but Mexico it turning it into a slum.
 
1. Its actually not a crime to be here illegally, therefore violators are not criminal

Well, SOME people don't know what the word "illegal" means in "illegal alien".

The Americans, do, though..

2. If it were a crime, one would have to have been convicted of the offense to be labeled a criminal

Why?

There some law saying this? I distinctly recall calling OJ Simpson a murderer even before he was acquitted in that circus act in Los Angeles.

Since it is a crime to enter the nation illegally, I'm perfect correct in calling people who break that law criminals, even when they don't ever get to wear County Orange.

3. and what you are advocating amounts to punishment, which can only be rendered after conviction...

No, what's being advocated is persuasion for the criminals to go home.
 
Hmmm so this idiot wants to cut off power and gas (oddly not water) to illegals. How about reporting them and getting them deported instead? Another idiot republican trying to cash in on an xenophobic crazy hitting the US.

Because the Obama administration is not committed to deporting them?!?!?
 
Right Sentiment, wrong approach. I understand the desire to make life hell on those here illegally, making it unattractive to be here. But the approach needs to encompass things like hitting the employers, renters, realators and the like. Deny them schools for their kids, end the Anchor Baby BS, deny them all but emergency medical care, no social services and then you'll see the illegal problem start to abate.

All of these are realistic and doable except the "Anchor Baby BS". No way you would get the constitutional amendment needed to change that...
 
Why does everyone talk as if reporting, enforcing and deporting is easier and costs less and is more efficient? This is one of the best things a big government state can do; especially if it manages the utilities.
 
It's not a crime to be here illegally?
Ah - if it's ILLEGAL then that means it's NOT legal - which means it's a crime :shrug:

So not true, kimosabe.... Being here illegally (without legality) is a violation much as driving 40 in a 35 MPH zone is a violation... not a crime. Getting a traffic ticket or being identified as an undocumented alien does not make you a criminal, but it is an indictment that you are inviolation of the law.
 
Because the Obama administration is not committed to deporting them?!?!?

You can deport 16 million people.... unless you are advocating round-ups and concentration camps (I hope no one here is to that extreme).

It would be good if people would discuss the pragmatics of this issue instead of dealing in philosophic hyperbole.
 
So not true, kimosabe.... Being here illegally (without legality) is a violation much as driving 40 in a 35 MPH zone is a violation... not a crime. Getting a traffic ticket or being identified as an undocumented alien does not make you a criminal, but it is an indictment that you are inviolation of the law.

If I speed 40 in a 35 on base I WILL get a ticket and I WILL have to pay it :shrug:

Seems to me that you're trying to butter up which laws are OK to flub and which ones aren't based on your self-perceived level of moral or social 'OK' which you've selected is appropriate X__here__X and not appropriate X__here__X

Your point is: the feds aren't enforcing the LAWS.
Arizona's problem is: the feds aren't enforcing the LAWS.

Funny how it matches up like that!

Now - if you would notice within SB1070 people aren't being 1) ticketed for being here illegally 2) kicked out of the US.

They are being 1) Detained for other reason. 2) Checked for legality. 3) If no legality-proof is given then they are put through a separate list of charges and actions based on that which includes . . . and part of this is reporting them to the appropriate federal bureau 4) A hearing/trial - determination and examination of the evidence for/against them. 5) If found they are here illegally they, once again, are reported to the appropriate federal bureau . .. and it's still up to the feds what to do with said individual.

If the feds in the end decide to do absolutely nothing - nothing will be done.

What's wrong with that?

What SB1070 DOES do that, also, other bureaus of government also do is instilling fees and fines on companies and businesses who are found to be hiring illegals.

What's wrong with that?
 
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Well, SOME people don't know what the word "illegal" means in "illegal alien".

The Americans, do, though..



Why?

There some law saying this? I distinctly recall calling OJ Simpson a murderer even before he was acquitted in that circus act in Los Angeles.

Since it is a crime to enter the nation illegally, I'm perfect correct in calling people who break that law criminals, even when they don't ever get to wear County Orange.



No, what's being advocated is persuasion for the criminals to go home.

Again, being an illegal alien is not a crime..... it is a violation. It is not criminal to be here illegally. You can find many references to various court cases on the Internet.

http://www.latinalista.net/palabrafinal/2007/08/kansas_court_rules_being_in_the_country.html

Even Arizona 1070 is clear on this...

Being in state illegally not a crime under SB 1070



Sorry, OJ is not a murderer under our system. It is wrong for people to treat him as a murderer. He was tried and found not guilty. He deserves no criminal sanctions for that particular crime.... that is a sidebar. You can only be a criminal if convicted of a crime. Being here illegally is only a crime in the minds of some, but not on the books of the US.
 
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So not true, kimosabe.... Being here illegally (without legality) is a violation much as driving 40 in a 35 MPH zone is a violation... not a crime. Getting a traffic ticket or being identified as an undocumented alien does not make you a criminal, but it is an indictment that you are inviolation of the law.

If for example, Pablo, an illegal alien is beaten and robbed, then calls, the police and then IS deported because he is illegal. He is not being deported because, he reported a crime, but because he also committed one. He is here illegally.
 
If for example, Pablo, an illegal alien is beaten and robbed, then calls, the police and then IS deported because he is illegal. He is not being deported because, he reported a crime, but because he also committed one. He is here illegally.

1. this is exactly why most Arizona law enforcement is against 1070 as it will make their jobs that much tougher. People will be afraid to report crimes or work with the police to combat crime. This will allow Mexican gangs to operate within urban areas with impunity.

2. It is not a crime to be here illegally.
 
1. this is exactly why most Arizona law enforcement is against 1070 as it will make their jobs that much tougher. People will be afraid to report crimes or work with the police to combat crime. This will allow Mexican gangs to operate within urban areas with impunity.

2. It is not a crime to be here illegally.

You must be slow. It is absolutely a crime to be here illegally.
 
Hmmm so this idiot wants to cut off power and gas (oddly not water) to illegals. How about reporting them and getting them deported instead? Another idiot republican trying to cash in on an xenophobic crazy hitting the US.

Your partisan hackery gets worse everyday. Almost nothing you say makes sense. Your hate for America is so well entrenched and known it's a wonder why you would want to associate with us even through a website. :roll:
 
I agree. If you feed the hungry birds, you end up with more hungry birds. It you don't put out food for them, they'll go elsewhere. Basic fact of life.

Perhaps Burger King should require that the clerks check for legal status.

Better yet, have everyone in AZ, including the illegals, check everyone else for legal status. Simultaneously checking each other every minute of the day should get rid of the illegal population in AZ. Except of course, those with counterfeit citizen cards.

Any true American worth his/her salt should converge upon AZ and start checking cards today.
 
What do you think? It sounds over the top to me. Also, many illegals crash with relatives or friends. Isn't this taking matters too far in the fight against illegal immigration?

FOXNews.com - Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

Illegals have taken extreme measures to get here and stay here, they will stop at nothing to cheat their way into the fabric of this country. They need to be rooted out and punished, like any other criminal. If they have a utility account, or someone else has set one up to cover for them....they should both be punished.
 
Perhaps Burger King should require that the clerks check for legal status.

Better yet, have everyone in AZ, including the illegals, check everyone else for legal status. Simultaneously checking each other every minute of the day should get rid of the illegal population in AZ. Except of course, those with counterfeit citizen cards.

Any true American worth his/her salt should converge upon AZ and start checking cards today.

Illegals should be hounded wherever they go until they realize it's better to live in Mexico than to be here illegally. If you think it's harsh, look at how the Mexican handle illegals.
 
1. this is exactly why most Arizona law enforcement is against 1070 as it will make their jobs that much tougher. People will be afraid to report crimes or work with the police to combat crime. This will allow Mexican gangs to operate within urban areas with impunity.

You make a true point, here - but don't you think that it's slanted or purely selfish for someone to support/not support something just because it will change their job-requirements? If something happening poses a GREATER risk and threat to the economy and their state why wouldn't they be more supportive of efforts to bring it to an end?

Their job is already to detain people and keep the peace - which already includes collecting information, following up on reports, filing statements and so on.

I wonder: If their jobs were directly at stake of being given to illegals would they feel different?
 
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