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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    1. Its actually not a crime to be here illegally, therefore violators are not criminal
    2. If it were a crime, one would have to have been convicted of the offense to be labeled a criminal
    3. and what you are advocating amounts to punishment, which can only be rendered after conviction...
    Where do you get these strange ideas?

    (a) Improper time or place; avoidance of examination or inspection;
    misrepresentation and concealment of facts
    Any alien who (1) enters or attempts to enter the United States
    at any time or place other than as designated by immigration
    officers, or (2) eludes examination or inspection by immigration
    officers, or (3) attempts to enter or obtains entry to the United
    States by a willfully false or misleading representation or the
    willful concealment of a material fact, shall, for the first
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18 or
    imprisoned not more than 6 months, or both, and, for a subsequent
    commission of any such offense, be fined under title 18, or
    imprisoned not more than 2 years, or both.
    (b) Improper time or place; civil penalties
    Any alien who is apprehended while entering (or attempting to
    enter) the United States at a time or place other than as
    designated by immigration officers shall be subject to a civil
    penalty of -
    (1) at least $50 and not more than $250 for each such entry (or
    attempted entry); or
    (2) twice the amount specified in paragraph (1) in the case of
    an alien who has been previously subject to a civil penalty under
    this subsection.
    Civil penalties under this subsection are in addition to, and not
    in lieu of, any criminal or other civil penalties that may be
    imposed.
    (c) Marriage fraud
    Any individual who knowingly enters into a marriage for the
    purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws shall be
    imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or fined not more than
    $250,000, or both.
    (d) Immigration-related entrepreneurship fraud
    Any individual who knowingly establishes a commercial enterprise
    for the purpose of evading any provision of the immigration laws
    shall be imprisoned for not more than 5 years, fined in accordance
    with title 18, or both.
    8 U.S.C. § 1325 : US Code - Section 1325: Improper entry by alien
    There is no such thing as a “Natural Born Dual-Citizen“.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    So let me see if I understand the debate....

    If a person comes here illegally, and thus sets up residence illegally, and thus arranges for electricity for that residence illegally, why wouldn't we cut their power?

    Look what liberalism has done to basic common sense.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    So let me see if I understand the debate....

    If a person comes here illegally, and thus sets up residence illegally, and thus arranges for electricity for that residence illegally, why wouldn't we cut their power?

    Look what liberalism has done to basic common sense.
    It isn't against the law for someone to be a non-citizen and receive power.
    When I signed up as a customer of our electricity company I don't recall my nationality being in question - at all.

    There's absolutely nothing that states, in any state's codes or in any federal code that "In order to receive electricity you must be a legal citizen or here under visa" . . . etc.
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It isn't against the law for someone to be a non-citizen and receive power.
    When I signed up as a customer of our electricity company I don't recall my nationality being in question - at all.

    There's absolutely nothing that states, in any state's codes or in any federal code that "In order to receive electricity you must be a legal citizen or here under visa" . . . etc.
    But if they are found out to be illegal, do you not cut their power and deport them immediately?

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    But if they are found out to be illegal, do you not cut their power and deport them immediately?
    Deport them yes, cut their power that they have paid for no, that would be theft
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    "Give me your tired, your poor,

    Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,

    The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.


    Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,

    I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"
    Nowhere does it say come in illegally. Also you should look at the historic time the quote was made.
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    But if they are found out to be illegal, do you not cut their power and deport them immediately?
    There's nothing immediate about the process of deportation - it's long and complicated, nothing is simple.

    I don't actually know the legal-issues when it comes to anyone going to jail for any reason and how it affects their utilities. I don't know if the government calls up the utility company and says "they've been arrested, cut them off" or if there's paperwork involved or what - I have no clue. . . it's an interesting question.
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Mickey Shane View Post
    The Mexican government is very hard on illegals. We're not Mexico.
    That's true, but look who else is bitching about the law besides liberals. HINT: Mexico
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    Just remember folks, once you get all the illegals out, you going to need someone to do the jobs they did.
    Going to have a great big laugh over all this insanity, because Americans will refuse to do the work presently done by ILLEGALS.
    So guess what they will have to do is invite some guest workers into the country to do the work. ROFLMBO
    That is a myth. This is not about Americans refusing to do the work, its about fair wages. The cost of the activities now done by illegals will float up to market. The jobs will not go unfilled, the cost of labor will go up. That is a good thing. The reason no one wants to tackle this issue is we like the cheap labor....

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Deport them yes, cut their power that they have paid for no, that would be theft
    So we immediatly deport them but not cut off their power.

    I can live with that
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