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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    It is not a right. It is a service," Barry Wong, candidate for the Arizona Corporation Commission, told The Arizona Republic.
    Sounds perfectly reasonable.

    Since the criminals don't have a legal right to be in the country, they don't have a legal right to electricity in this nation, either.

    And there's no reason a state utility should be forced to be an accomplice for someone else's illegal activity.

    Under the drug laws the Left supports, the power companies routinely provide infomation to the DEA on residences that consume power consistent with marijuana "grow" lights, and this has been upheld by the courts.

    No reason the same power companies can't report to ICE the names and addresses of suspected Invaders their search of their own databases reveals.

    Invaders that don't want the power utilities to turn this information over to ICE should stop using electricity. IF, for some strange reason, they want elecricity, there's power companies in Mexico that will be glad to sell it to them, but those companies do not provide services north of the border, so the Invader will have to go home if he wants a cold Corona in his 'fridge.

    ANYTHING that makes a criminal Invader feel less welcome, anything that increases his urge to go back to Mexico, anything that makes his life as a criminal fugitive as uncomfortable as possible, is something that we should endeavor to create for the Invader.
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Lord Tammerlain View Post
    Other then they would have paid for them,

    But realistically how on earth is the power company going to know if somebody is illegal?
    The credit check they perform before signing you up for service includes, oh SURPRISE SURPRISE, the offering of your socialst security number, which will then be checked for validity.

    Not valid, no power.

    Not valid, and reported to ICE and the SSA and the DHS, too.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
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    Now this I don't agree with - even prisoner's in jail get electricity
    No one's allowing the prisoners in jail to go back home.

    Last time I checked, the US isn't a prison, but Mexico it turning it into a slum.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    1. Its actually not a crime to be here illegally, therefore violators are not criminal
    Well, SOME people don't know what the word "illegal" means in "illegal alien".

    The Americans, do, though..

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    2. If it were a crime, one would have to have been convicted of the offense to be labeled a criminal
    Why?

    There some law saying this? I distinctly recall calling OJ Simpson a murderer even before he was acquitted in that circus act in Los Angeles.

    Since it is a crime to enter the nation illegally, I'm perfect correct in calling people who break that law criminals, even when they don't ever get to wear County Orange.

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    3. and what you are advocating amounts to punishment, which can only be rendered after conviction...
    No, what's being advocated is persuasion for the criminals to go home.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Hmmm so this idiot wants to cut off power and gas (oddly not water) to illegals. How about reporting them and getting them deported instead? Another idiot republican trying to cash in on an xenophobic crazy hitting the US.
    Because the Obama administration is not committed to deporting them?!?!?
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Right Sentiment, wrong approach. I understand the desire to make life hell on those here illegally, making it unattractive to be here. But the approach needs to encompass things like hitting the employers, renters, realators and the like. Deny them schools for their kids, end the Anchor Baby BS, deny them all but emergency medical care, no social services and then you'll see the illegal problem start to abate.
    All of these are realistic and doable except the "Anchor Baby BS". No way you would get the constitutional amendment needed to change that...
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Why does everyone talk as if reporting, enforcing and deporting is easier and costs less and is more efficient? This is one of the best things a big government state can do; especially if it manages the utilities.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    It's not a crime to be here illegally?
    Ah - if it's ILLEGAL then that means it's NOT legal - which means it's a crime
    So not true, kimosabe.... Being here illegally (without legality) is a violation much as driving 40 in a 35 MPH zone is a violation... not a crime. Getting a traffic ticket or being identified as an undocumented alien does not make you a criminal, but it is an indictment that you are inviolation of the law.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Because the Obama administration is not committed to deporting them?!?!?
    You can deport 16 million people.... unless you are advocating round-ups and concentration camps (I hope no one here is to that extreme).

    It would be good if people would discuss the pragmatics of this issue instead of dealing in philosophic hyperbole.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    So not true, kimosabe.... Being here illegally (without legality) is a violation much as driving 40 in a 35 MPH zone is a violation... not a crime. Getting a traffic ticket or being identified as an undocumented alien does not make you a criminal, but it is an indictment that you are inviolation of the law.
    If I speed 40 in a 35 on base I WILL get a ticket and I WILL have to pay it

    Seems to me that you're trying to butter up which laws are OK to flub and which ones aren't based on your self-perceived level of moral or social 'OK' which you've selected is appropriate X__here__X and not appropriate X__here__X

    Your point is: the feds aren't enforcing the LAWS.
    Arizona's problem is: the feds aren't enforcing the LAWS.

    Funny how it matches up like that!

    Now - if you would notice within SB1070 people aren't being 1) ticketed for being here illegally 2) kicked out of the US.

    They are being 1) Detained for other reason. 2) Checked for legality. 3) If no legality-proof is given then they are put through a separate list of charges and actions based on that which includes . . . and part of this is reporting them to the appropriate federal bureau 4) A hearing/trial - determination and examination of the evidence for/against them. 5) If found they are here illegally they, once again, are reported to the appropriate federal bureau . .. and it's still up to the feds what to do with said individual.

    If the feds in the end decide to do absolutely nothing - nothing will be done.

    What's wrong with that?

    What SB1070 DOES do that, also, other bureaus of government also do is instilling fees and fines on companies and businesses who are found to be hiring illegals.

    What's wrong with that?
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