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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    But cant you see an illegal by the type of car he drives, the shoes he wears and the over all way he dresses and smells.....
    Only if they are from spain.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Right Sentiment, wrong approach. I understand the desire to make life hell on those here illegally, making it unattractive to be here. But the approach needs to encompass things like hitting the employers, renters, realators and the like. Deny them schools for their kids, end the Anchor Baby BS, deny them all but emergency medical care, no social services and then you'll see the illegal problem start to abate.
    I don't think the Arizona Utilities Commission has that kind of pull.
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by ric27 View Post
    That won't do squat....

    What will get Mexico's attention...

    1 Cut off the wire transfers..

    2 Strict enforcement with the ability to back it up with appropriately delivered firepower.
    This is all so simple, why are people trying to over-complicate this.... cut off the job by stiff fines on employers that employ illegals. The laws are already on the books, just enforce them. People that do not want strict enforcement of those laws really are not against illegal aliens and should just be quiet.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    This is all so simple, why are people trying to over-complicate this.... cut off the job by stiff fines on employers that employ illegals. The laws are already on the books, just enforce them. People that do not want strict enforcement of those laws really are not against illegal aliens and should just be quiet.
    Well - that's what Arizona's actually doing with SB 1070 - enforcing existing laws and cutting off work permits and imploying stiff fines for hiring/harboring illegals.

    And the government's suing them for it and other places are pretending to boycott claiming it's outrageous.
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by megaprogman View Post
    Actually, I don't see a problem with this statement. If they are criminals than they have no rights to these sorts of services.
    1. Its actually not a crime to be here illegally, therefore violators are not criminal
    2. If it were a crime, one would have to have been convicted of the offense to be labeled a criminal
    3. and what you are advocating amounts to punishment, which can only be rendered after conviction...

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    Well - that's what Arizona's actually doing with SB 1070 - enforcing existing laws and cutting off work permits and imploying stiff fines for hiring/harboring illegals.

    And the government's suing them for it and other places are pretending to boycott claiming it's outrageous.
    True... there are some good parts to SB 1070... but there are some ugly parts as well, including some vague language that can promote racial profiling. The vague language is the basis of the suit. A bill can have redeeming qualities and still be a bad bill just a bill can have some problems with it and still be generally a good bill.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    1. Its actually not a crime to be here illegally, therefore violators are not criminal
    2. If it were a crime, one would have to have been convicted of the offense to be labeled a criminal
    3. and what you are advocating amounts to punishment, which can only be rendered after conviction...
    It's not a crime to be here illegally?
    Ah - if it's ILLEGAL then that means it's NOT legal - which means it's a crime
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    True... there are some good parts to SB 1070... but there are some ugly parts as well, including some vague language that can promote racial profiling. The vague language is the basis of the suit. A bill can have redeeming qualities and still be a bad bill just a bill can have some problems with it and still be generally a good bill.
    They've changed that vague language to make it more specific - and the majority fo the bill itself addresses the issues of fines, fees, and harboring and hiring illegals.
    (I've read the bill - there's not much too it)

    You can't just ignore a problem because of possible race-issues that come with it it.
    Just because the majority of people who do a certain bad something are a certain race doesn't mean that their bad something deserves a blind eye - or that tackling that problem means you're focusing on their *race* at the center of it.
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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by upsideguy View Post
    1. Its actually not a crime to be here illegally, therefore violators are not criminal
    2. If it were a crime, one would have to have been convicted of the offense to be labeled a criminal
    3. and what you are advocating amounts to punishment, which can only be rendered after conviction...
    Ahh...confusing illegal people with criminals??

    The act of being in the country illegally means that they are criminals by definition. If they then contribute to the overall level of crime wherever they set up shop then they are doubly guilty. The housing, employment etc. of illegals is aiding and abbeting criminals and those guilty of it should be punished accordingly.

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    Re: Arizona Candidate: Cut Off Power to Illegal Immigrants

    Quote Originally Posted by MyOwnDrum View Post
    What do you think? It sounds over the top to me. Also, many illegals crash with relatives or friends. Isn't this taking matters too far in the fight against illegal immigration?

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