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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    The man was most likely innocent any ways.
    This was not proven at his trial and no one has since his release even attempted to prove his supposed innocence!

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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    They only let him go because he dropped the appeal... that pretty much sums up the injustice in this case.

    Like it or not legal procedures can be manipulated and evidence can be manipulated and in this case there is more than enough evidence that both were and the UK government with US backing wanted to avoid the embarrassment of getting this all exposed. As it stands now it is just legal opinions by experts and analysis of the evidence from the outside. If it had gone to appeal and gotten into court, then all the dirt would become a matter of public record and it could seriously hurt the credibility of the UK and US justice systems.
    It would not have been Legal for him to have been released while Legal status was in abeyance.
    In other words in order to be released it was required of him that he drop his appeal.

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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by Apocalypse View Post
    That the father of one of the victims has offered a financial aid to the convicted bomber is legally irrelevant.
    I am aware of that Apocalypse. You should also have read what I said. The last time this was discussed, which may have been when it happened I was able to provide substantial information from the Scotsman which showed the degree of doubt concerning his guilt. This I cannot find easily today and having other things to do cannot spend hours searching. However I know that I found enough to convince myself. As you can see one of the bereaved was as convinced as myself and what the bereaved would like, I imagine, is for the people who are responsible for their loves ones death to be the one's in jail, not someone who is not.

    In the meantime this man is still dying. As I have said before with terminal cancer it is difficult to give an exact time. We had one woman who lived 5 years after she was given no more than 6 months. However despite someone saying he could live ten years he is now expected only to last a few weeks.
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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by jujuman13 View Post
    This was not proven at his trial and no one has since his release even attempted to prove his supposed innocence!
    Considering much of the key evidence in the case has been classified as state secrets, so that not even the defence is allowed to see it then how exactly do you expect to prove his innocence? What I base my view on, is the stuff that we do know, the evidence that is available that has been debunked and the witness statements that have been cast serious doubts over, not to mention and I can not mention this enough.. the Scottish legal system has stated that there was a big chance that there was a miscarriage of justice in this case. And yet the case was not reopened in due time and all appeals were delayed year after year. That is not justice, that is a cover-up.

    I fully understand the need to believe in our legal systems are perfect, but in the real world we KNOW they are not. And this is especially in cases like this, where the political pressure was insane to convict anyone for the bombing. I want our legal systems to be as perfect as possible, but we can not achieve this if we do not speak out and correct cases of possible miscarriage of justice and in this case there is plenty of evidence that screams of huge issues with the ruling and trial.

    I also understand the American's hatred of Libya and their blind trust in their government who claims it was Libya. That the evidence linking the two is at best circumstantial and at worst planted, then we must ask our governments.. now wait a minute. I for one refuse to have another case of miscarriage of justice like the Russians did in the Katyn massacre. I aint saying the US was behind Lockerbie btw, but in the Katyn massacre the Russians blamed the Nazi's and everyone ate it up... 40+ years later we learn, it was the Russians themselves that killed 22000 polish soldiers and not the Nazies.
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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    Considering much of the key evidence in the case has been classified as state secrets, so that not even the defence is allowed to see it then how exactly do you expect to prove his innocence? What I base my view on, is the stuff that we do know, the evidence that is available that has been debunked and the witness statements that have been cast serious doubts over, not to mention and I can not mention this enough.. the Scottish legal system has stated that there was a big chance that there was a miscarriage of justice in this case. And yet the case was not reopened in due time and all appeals were delayed year after year. That is not justice, that is a cover-up.

    I fully understand the need to believe in our legal systems are perfect, but in the real world we KNOW they are not. And this is especially in cases like this, where the political pressure was insane to convict anyone for the bombing. I want our legal systems to be as perfect as possible, but we can not achieve this if we do not speak out and correct cases of possible miscarriage of justice and in this case there is plenty of evidence that screams of huge issues with the ruling and trial.

    I also understand the American's hatred of Libya and their blind trust in their government who claims it was Libya. That the evidence linking the two is at best circumstantial and at worst planted, then we must ask our governments.. now wait a minute. I for one refuse to have another case of miscarriage of justice like the Russians did in the Katyn massacre. I aint saying the US was behind Lockerbie btw, but in the Katyn massacre the Russians blamed the Nazi's and everyone ate it up... 40+ years later we learn, it was the Russians themselves that killed 22000 polish soldiers and not the Nazies.
    My personal opinion is that it was likely not Libya involvement, I am of the opinion and belief that it was the Syrians who were responsible for the Lockerbie Terrorist act.
    Being of Polish descent nothing that the Russians have done or will in future do, surprises me, in my opinion they are the most distrustful of people, even to the point I would trust a Camel's fart before I would trust a Russian.

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