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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am still baffled that he was convicted in the first place. The amount of political pressure from Downing Street and Washington on the judges to convict was huge according to reports and the evidence was tainted big time.
    But he WAS convicted and I believe that legal procedures are generally better in the UK than in much of the world. I do not see a compelling reason to let this guy go on any grounds short of a judicial re-examination of the case...
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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But he WAS convicted and I believe that legal procedures are generally better in the UK than in much of the world. I do not see a compelling reason to let this guy go on any grounds short of a judicial re-examination of the case...
    They only let him go because he dropped the appeal... that pretty much sums up the injustice in this case.

    Like it or not legal procedures can be manipulated and evidence can be manipulated and in this case there is more than enough evidence that both were and the UK government with US backing wanted to avoid the embarrassment of getting this all exposed. As it stands now it is just legal opinions by experts and analysis of the evidence from the outside. If it had gone to appeal and gotten into court, then all the dirt would become a matter of public record and it could seriously hurt the credibility of the UK and US justice systems.
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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Pete, a convicted man is not innocent unless proven in court.
    Just like an innocent man is not guilty unless convicted in court.
    You cannot just declare him innocent, if he was innocent the case should have been reopened, right now they've let a convicted man, and one who was convicted with the murder of scores of people, go free under the claim that he doesn't have much time left, and now it appears he'll live on for 10 freaking years.
    That's simply disgusting.
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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    You cannot just declare him innocent, if he was innocent the case should have been reopened, right now they've let a convicted man, and one who was convicted with the murder of scores of people, go free under the claim that he doesn't have much time left, and now it appears he'll live on for 10 freaking years.
    I am not declaring him innocent. I am saying he most likely is innocent based on the evidence or lack of evidence against him. As for the case being reopened, the governments involved were blocking a reopening at every level and only agreed to free him if he gave up the appeal process. That smells like something is really wrong with the original trial, because why else would they block any reopening or appeal?

    And consider that the Scottish Criminal Case Review Commission said there was a suspected miscarriage of justice in this case..

    That's simply disgusting.
    What is disgusting is that people willing will allow a possible innocent man to rot in jail just to feel "like we got someone" for the crime. I want justice for the dead at Lockerbie, but not at the cost of putting innocents behind bars.
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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    What is disgusting is that people willing will allow a possible innocent man to rot in jail just to feel "like we got someone" for the crime. I want justice for the dead at Lockerbie, but not at the cost of putting innocents behind bars.
    Possible?!?!? Well, let's find out with the best certainty we can before releasing him on false pretenses. I am not against his release PROVIDING it is to be done with proper judicial and legal procedures. This was NOT done in this case...
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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    Possible?!?!? Well, let's find out with the best certainty we can before releasing him on false pretenses. I am not against his release PROVIDING it is to be done with proper judicial and legal procedures. This was NOT done in this case...
    How? the governments involved blocked any and all attempts to reopen the case or examine the case. The only reason that he was released was if he did not go through his delayed appeal.. delayed by the governments involved.

    And lets not forget his release on humanitarian grounds had nothing to do with the case or any appeal but it was made as a condition to the UK government accepting the release... wonder why...

    Even to this day the governments involved are fighting to keep evidence secret lol .. why?

    And both the UN observer and the Scottish review system claimed there was a possible miscarriage of justice in the case and yet the governments involved and the legal system did everything to delay any investigation or appeal.. why?

    And we have not even looked at the evidence or witnesses in the case or how the case was prosecuted.
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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    I was very irritated that they chose to release this in this way. He has stopped responding to chemotherapy and while he might live ten years as you can never tell in these cases, it is more likely to be a matter of weeks or a few months,

    When someone is terminally ill with cancer you cannot give an exact date when they will die. Some manage to live a few years, some only a few days.

    For the rest, skimming, Pete EU seems to have given an accurate account of the case.
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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    I am still baffled that he was convicted in the first place. The amount of political pressure from Downing Street and Washington on the judges to convict was huge according to reports and the evidence was tainted big time.
    Perhaps, but you hold a retrial, not just let him walk.

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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by PeteEU View Post
    How? the governments involved blocked any and all attempts to reopen the case or examine the case. The only reason that he was released was if he did not go through his delayed appeal.. delayed by the governments involved.

    And lets not forget his release on humanitarian grounds had nothing to do with the case or any appeal but it was made as a condition to the UK government accepting the release... wonder why...

    Even to this day the governments involved are fighting to keep evidence secret lol .. why?

    And both the UN observer and the Scottish review system claimed there was a possible miscarriage of justice in the case and yet the governments involved and the legal system did everything to delay any investigation or appeal.. why?

    And we have not even looked at the evidence or witnesses in the case or how the case was prosecuted.
    The US government tried to block his release, how does that fit into your conspiracy theory?

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    Re: Doctor: 'Dying' Lockerbie bomber may live 10 years

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    The US government tried to block his release, how does that fit into your conspiracy theory?
    Officially they did yes.... but we both know there is the official version and the non official version. And this is no conspiracy theory by any means. If you bothered to look at the case and the evidence you too would be.. wtf! I want the people behind this attack brought to justice, but I seriously have my doubts about this case and that is based on all the issues that have come out during and after the trial, from many different independent sources.
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