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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Since quite a few of you have experience in this area I'm curious how the technology is improving for the solar screens that can be placed on windows and generate power?

    IMO Solar is the best alternative fuel due to the fact the maintenance is extremely low (unlike wind power) and no bi product aside from the batteries that store the energy.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Japanese firm wants to transform the Moon into a giant solar power plant

    I say we do this instead. Sure it would take about 20 years and billions and trillions of dollars but it's probably the only way to use solar cells to their full potential and it would be a world wide effort.

    I personally think that yes we don't use "Green" Technologies because they aren't cost effective enough. We need to produce cheap LED Lightbulbs. Those things last for a heckuva lot longer then Compact Fluorescent bulbs and they use a fraction of the energy, not to mention they aren't dangerous like Compact Fluorescent (seriously we had one of those burn out in my house, granted it took 6 years, and the fumes from it almost had me throwing up and passing out)

    There are always other solutions. Yes we do need to DISCOVER them first but that's why we have scientists with huge amounts of funding and what not.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, I'm pretty sure you've blown out more than a few brain cells with your bull**** arguments and your half-baked understanding.



    Whatever you say, troll.



    It won't be my product. I'm in R&D. I do the prep work and someone else sells it.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    If there was any kind of real market, the government wouldn't have to piss out $2 billion to promote solar energy.
    By that measure, if there was any real market for nuclear power, the government wouldn't have to piss out $10 billion in loan guarantees to promote it.

    I thought you were supposed to be some kinda financial/entrepreneur/business goo-roo.

    The market doesn't extend past trolling motor batteries.
    Apparently you are once again pretending this post:
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    I guess you think $70 billion in sales is not a market.

    It's pretty obvious you have no problem with subsidies for things you want.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    That blast of common sense deserves a thank you.

    So thank you.

    If government has to subsidize it, it's not cost effective, it's not efficient, and it's not Constitutional.

    That's three "no's".

    How many more does anyone need?
    So Nuclear, Coal and Natural gas are not cost effective, are not efficient, and are not Constitutional?

    NRDC: Press Release - Massive Subsidies to Nuclear Industry 'A Mistake'
    The Public Subsidies of Coal - Environmental Science & Technology (ACS Publications)
    http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/02/0...t-budgets.html
    Obama budget seeks to end oil, gas subsidies | Reuters

    DAMN FACTS. Why you gotta get in the way of every partisan?
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Since they started providing nuclear reactors, jet engines, light bulbs, and practically everythin else they sell to the DoD.
    Are you really arguing that GE makes the majority of its income from government sales?

    Seriously?

    Let's make the government obey it's own Constitution, and that will end all this subsidy BS and restore freedom to the marketplace.
    So you'd be okay with Obama's plan to hack down subsidies to nuclear, coal and natural gas?

    Furthermore, since you have stated that anything subsidized is not "cost effective, efficient or constitutional" you must think that coal, natural gas and nuclear, among a whole host of other things including corporate agriculture is the same as solar no?

    That'll kill solar energy, but only a damn fool would want gallium arsenide on their roofs, anyway.
    One must question if you understand how solar panels are built. Does GaSa come into contact in the form it is used that releases arsenic? No.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Can someone tell me why $1.6 billion in coal tax credits are okay, but $2 billion for solar is downright evil?

    NETL: News Release - Tax Credit Programs Promote Coal-Based Power Generation Technologies
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ok!...LOL...when their product hit's the market, you be sure and let us know. I can't wait!! I'm sure Obama will be bragging about it, so you can clue us in at that time. personally, I think you're getting paid a **** load of money to work in a novelty, but I'm sure you'll let us know when it hit's the market and makes all our lives better.
    Sizing Up Solar-Power IPOs

    Maybe you think the Chinese should get the money and not us?

    Furthermore:
    Suntech Power Holdings Co. Ltd. (STP) Stock -- Seeking Alpha
    SunPower Corporation (SPWRA) Stock -- Seeking Alpha

    Market capitalization and volume suggests that the market is very diametrically opposed to the opinions you have given here.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Sizing Up Solar-Power IPOs

    Maybe you think the Chinese should get the money and not us?

    Furthermore:
    Suntech Power Holdings Co. Ltd. (STP) Stock -- Seeking Alpha
    SunPower Corporation (SPWRA) Stock -- Seeking Alpha

    Market capitalization and volume suggests that the market is very diametrically opposed to the opinions you have given here.
    They're going to make the money from solar panel production, anyway, because union workers in America waon't work for less than $75 an hour.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    By that measure, if there was any real market for nuclear power, the government wouldn't have to piss out $10 billion in loan guarantees to promote it.



    Apparently you are once again pretending this post:
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    Nor this post:
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    I guess you think $70 billion in sales is not a market.

    It's pretty obvious you have no problem with subsidies for things you want.
    $70 billion? That's all? My point is, yes, there is a market for solar panels to charge trolling motor batteries and lighted road signs and the like, but the technology doesn't exist to provide high volumes of power to a city. That market doesn't exist. It's naive to think that the technology is just sitting there, waiting to be kicked into high gear within a few weeks. We're talking decades, before solar power will be that advanced. Meanwhile, we need to go with what's tried and true, rather than trying to make a phonograph needle out of a peanut.
    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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