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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

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    Solar CAN'T replace our present energy infrastructure.

    Period.

    These damn things are worthless.





    I've designed solar arrays for satellites.

    Whats your background?

    Oh, and I've run a nuclear power plant, too.
    Traffic deaths will sky rocket because of that piece-a-****.

    Not to mention, you can't pull a horse trailer with it, which makes it worthless.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

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    Solar CAN'T replace our present energy infrastructure.

    Period.
    Micropower.

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    These damn things are worthless.
    Yep.

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    I've designed solar arrays for satellites.

    Whats your background?

    Oh, and I've run a nuclear power plant, too.
    I've designed electronics that have gone down in submarines, up in rockets, and everything in between, including radar antennae deployment systems.

    I learned the business from a guy who designed CCDs for Kodak and USB hubs for Belkin.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Actually, I haven't given you a moment's ****ing thought.
    No, I'm pretty sure you've blown out more than a few brain cells with your bull**** arguments and your half-baked understanding.

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    What the hell are you waiting on? You're ass ****ing the country by not putting your **** on the market and making all our lives better.
    Whatever you say, troll.

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    When you're product hits the market, you be sure and let us know. M'k, ?
    It won't be my product. I'm in R&D. I do the prep work and someone else sells it.

    Whatever, have fun pretending you know what the hell you're talking about. It's obvious that all you give a damn about is appearing to be right.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, I'm pretty sure you've blown out more than a few brain cells with your bull**** arguments and your half-baked understanding.



    Whatever you say, troll.



    It won't be my product. I'm in R&D. I do the prep work and someone else sells it.

    Whatever, have fun pretending you know what the hell you're talking about. It's obvious that all you give a damn about is appearing to be right.
    Ok!...LOL...when their product hit's the market, you be sure and let us know. I can't wait!! I'm sure Obama will be bragging about it, so you can clue us in at that time. personally, I think you're getting paid a **** load of money to work in a novelty, but I'm sure you'll let us know when it hit's the market and makes all our lives better.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    "Micropower"?

    The compressor in the refrigerator in your kitchen is most likely the biggest drain on your bill. The laws of thermodynamics means it's pretty much at it's limits as far as drawing current, right now. Ain't gonna micro that any time soon.

    Your airconditioner? That to isn't magically exempt from the Secondlaw.

    Now, one spacecraft I recently worked needed a minimum of 8,000 watts of power at the end of an eight year life in LEO. That required a beginning of life surface area of 450 square feet. Yes, that was six fifteen by five foot panels.

    Out in space, the efficiency of the solar cells are enhanced by the presence of raw ultraviolet.

    Let's put it this way. That wing was so damn huge it prohibited the preferred disposal option of multiple controlled aerobraking entries prior to a final spash in the South Pacific. Nope, it was actually going to generate lift like an airplane and spin the satellite completely out of control.

    Whatever, the point is that it takes A LOT of solar cells to make decent power, since those damn things aren't highly efficient. (Second Law, again), and more importantly, they degrade quickly, and will the wonderful government subsidy for first installation exist to help the fifth year refurbishment?

    Tell us, oh technical expert, just how long photovoltaic cells last. Especially in a humid oxygenated atmosphere with birds crapping on them.

    down in submarines
    So? Almost all electronics that go down in submarines never get exposed to anything more significant that 70F and flourescent, the almost permanent weather forecast of the US submarine force. I know this from personal experience, 'cuz...guess where the reactor was I ran?
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Look, I'm done here. I can't prove to the doubters how wrong they are because I can't talk specifics. In 20 years, though, people will look back on discussions like this and snigger at you.

    I'll just remind you that we're having this discussion on the Internet. You know, the thing that was conceived of by a government research project and rather explosively changed the world.

    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    "Micropower"?

    The compressor in the refrigerator in your kitchen is most likely the biggest drain on your bill. The laws of thermodynamics means it's pretty much at it's limits as far as drawing current, right now. Ain't gonna micro that any time soon.

    Your airconditioner? That to isn't magically exempt from the Secondlaw.

    Now, one spacecraft I recently worked needed a minimum of 8,000 watts of power at the end of an eight year life in LEO. That required a beginning of life surface area of 450 square feet. Yes, that was six fifteen by five foot panels.

    Out in space, the efficiency of the solar cells are enhanced by the presence of raw ultraviolet.

    Let's put it this way. That wing was so damn huge it prohibited the preferred disposal option of multiple controlled aerobraking entries prior to a final spash in the South Pacific. Nope, it was actually going to generate lift like an airplane and spin the satellite completely out of control.

    Whatever, the point is that it takes A LOT of solar cells to make decent power, since those damn things aren't highly efficient. (Second Law, again), and more importantly, they degrade quickly, and will the wonderful government subsidy for first installation exist to help the fifth year refurbishment?

    Tell us, oh technical expert, just how long photovoltaic cells last. Especially in a humid oxygenated atmosphere with birds crapping on them.
    Reality sucks ass!

    Can you imagine how pissed off people are going to be when they have to dig into their own pockets to repair and replace this equipment and the insurance they've been paying for, for years, doesn't cover it?
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    The internet...

    ....a source of mild entertainment for geeks and collegiate nerds until the government let it go and private industry got their hands on it.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    Look, I'm done here. I can't prove to the doubters how wrong they are because I can't talk specifics. In 20 years, though, people will look back on discussions like this and snigger at you.

    I'll just remind you that we're having this discussion on the Internet. You know, the thing that was conceived of by a government research project and rather explosively changed the world.

    You mean Al Gore's research project??
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    At least Bill saved his transgressions for grown women. Not suggesting what he did was OK. But he didn't chase 14 year olds.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post

    And what was a stupid idea, condidering the energy needs of the nation in 1990 is three times as stupid today.
    And the Efficiency of Solar Panels is at least 6 times as great as 20 Years ago. Maybe 10x soon.
    Ooops!

    The area of the collectors needed would be something the area of Massachusetts, I recall.
    So make that Rhode Island.


    Just think of what putting an area in the desert in permanent shade will do to the ecosystem of a large area of the Southwest United States.

    Just think of the shear impossibility of moving that electricity to Portland, Maine.

    Just think.
    Just think if it was only used in the West/Southwest we only need the area of Rhode Island.
    Why be such a gremlin and bring up "portland Maine".. Why not go for the likely and doable.
    Thinking like yours is what stops innovation.
    Now We're talking very feasible and probably spread out so as not to be all in one spot. (So many places in Cal, Ariz, Nev, NM, etc)

    And what will Oil/NG/etc cost in 10 years do you think Genius?
    As 2.3 Billion 'Chindians', etc, become more like the .3 Billion Americans in their energy consumption?
    You need some basic imagination.. no.. even just forethought of this certainty.

    It would only be conservative and good planning to put at least a much large slice in solar, for just one.
    You show the shallowest of cost analysis and one that will surely change... and probably has already. With interest rates as low as they are now, "more expensive" (and basically up-front-only) plants can be built and amortized at a much lesser cost. Especially if government or govt gauranteed/tax free financing is given as it is for many Municipal projects. In 20 years they could [still] be producing near Free energy when oil is $400 a barrel.
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