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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out why companies aren't investing in solar in the US like they are elsewhere. With sketchy, unreliable tax incentives along with subsidies to competing forms of electricity, firms would rather go where the tax incentives are stable and where their competitors aren't feeding at the trough of corporate welfare. We'll make the ingredients for it, but it's largely for export.
    That's currently changing. You'll see it over the next 5 years or so.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    There's this thing called Google. Started by a bunch of nerds. It has the largest search engine market share. You might want to try it one day.



    Solar Market: Dip in 2009, Rise by 2011

    No market you say?

    GE Targets The Solar Market And Sales Leader First Solar TechPulse 360
    National Semiconductor and QC Solar Sign Sales Agreement to Manufacture, Market Intelligent PV Electronics | National Semiconductor

    Hmm. I guess GE isn't part of the private industry. Hey Apdst, since when was GE an arm of the government?

    Same thing for QC and National Semi-Conductor.

    No market you say? I guess GE and National Semiconductor aren't big firms.



    Neither was oil when it started. What's your point? Cost effective now does not mean cost effective never. While you are obviously unaware of the concept of the first mover advantage, usually the firms who get into a new market or industry segment first with good products tend to dominate and reap abnormal profits. Maybe that's why NSC and GE are spending billions? Oh wait. I forgot. You argued that they are actually part of the government since you said "If there was a market, private industry would already be all over." Since GE and NSC are all over it, they can't be part of the private market.

    Research before opening your proverbial mouth. It will reduce the frequency of you appearing foolish.



    First-mover advantage - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    And it is cost effective when you get similar subsidies to how coal, nuclear and natural gas get.



    For the same reason the government spends billions of tax payer dollars and create a situation that would force American citizens to spend more of their hard earned money on other power sources like nuclear.



    The government may be stupid, but they aren't the only ones. *wink*
    Why hasn't solar power taken over, then? If the market is as strong as you say, we should have decreased our oil usage by at least 15%. What's the deal?

    Could it be that the plastic that is used to make the solar panels is a patroleum product?!?

    The part that I think most folks don't get, is that when a storm rips through and tears the hell out of your solar power system, the replacement cost is on you. There's no tax credit, no government bailout and the local power company sure as hell isn't going to replace your $20,000 solar system.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    No, it's more like it's difficult to find venture capital for something which may or may not work.

    In other words, in the current climate people are willing to invest in something which will work, but they're very slow to risk money on something which doesn't come with some kind of guarantee.
    Well, duhhhh!!! It's called security. How long did it take you figure that one out??
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why hasn't solar power taken over, then? If the market is as strong as you say, we should have decreased our oil usage by at least 15%. What's the deal?
    People are still figuring out how to best employ solar power to replace our current energy sources.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Could it be that the plastic that is used to make the solar panels is a patroleum product?!?
    No, it's more like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to alternative energy.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    The part that I think most folks don't get, is that when a storm rips through and tears the hell out of your solar power system, the replacement cost is on you. There's no tax credit, no government bailout and the local power company sure as hell isn't going to replace your $20,000 solar system.
    That's what insurance is for.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Well, duhhhh!!! It's called security. How long did it take you figure that one out??
    Right, except that when it comes to inventing new stuff to make, or finding new applications for existing stuff, there isn't a whole lot of security. Insecurity is the very nature of research and development work.
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    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Why hasn't solar power taken over, then? If the market is as strong as you say, we should have decreased our oil usage by at least 15%. What's the deal?
    As strong as I say? $70 billion isn't that large. It's large, but not like natural gas. Furthermore, you seem to be extremely unaware of the differences between US tax/regulations and foreign regulations. Was I talking about the US or the world? Please actually read posts before replying to them.

    The part that I think most folks don't get, is that when a storm rips through and tears the hell out of your solar power system, the replacement cost is on you.
    Hence why you get insurance. For the same reason replacing parts of your house is on you. What's your point? That's hardly a reason not to get solar. By that measure, we shouldn't buy anything.

    There's no tax credit, no government bailout and the local power company sure as hell isn't going to replace your $20,000 solar system.
    Ever heard of a thing called "Home Owner's Insurance?"

    Home Solar Panels: How Do They Affect Your Homeowners Insurance?

    Oh boy. Seriously.

    Google.com Start.Using.It.Now.

    So, do you admit your comment on "There's no market" is dead wrong?
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by TacticalEvilDan View Post
    People are still figuring out how to best employ solar power to replace our current energy sources.
    IOW, they don't really have the first ****ing clue what to do. Right? That's what I thought. It's not like solar panels were invented last year. They've been around for, what? 30 years? Weren't there solar panels powering Sky Lab? And, you claim that folks still haven't figured a way to employ solar power to replace petro-fuels?



    No, it's more like you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to alternative energy.
    Educate me! Please!!!!

    I'm all for solar power. I think it's neater than a cat's ass; neatest thing since sliced bread. I have a solar panel that keeps the batteries in my boat charged up. I have both solar and wind power generating electricity for my hunting camp. I even have a solar panel that keeps my lawn mower battery charged. I'm down, but, you know, I think that's the extent of it's praticality.



    That's what insurance is for.
    Ahhh, I see. So, the answer that the treehuggers have--as usual--means more money out of the common man's pocket. yes?

    Ya' know what? Right now, I don't have to carry insurance on my electric service. Why the hell would I want to spend my own money on a system, that I had to insure? Care to explain how this good for me again?
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ahhh, I see. So, the answer that the treehuggers have--as usual--means more money out of the common man's pocket. yes?
    By that measure, don't buy a house. Apparently you missed the link where some insurance carriers reduce your insurance. So less money out your pocket.

    Ya' know what? Right now, I don't have to carry insurance on my electric service. Why the hell would I want to spend my own money on a system, that I had to insure? Care to explain how this good for me again?
    For the same reason you insure your house against damage? And why would you want to spend your money on such a system? Because it reduces your electrical bill.

    Maybe you don't have a home? Maybe that's why you are so confused about what insurance is?
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    As strong as I say? $70 billion isn't that large. It's large, but not like natural gas. Furthermore, you seem to be extremely unaware of the differences between US tax/regulations and foreign regulations. Was I talking about the US or the world? Please actually read posts before replying to them.



    Hence why you get insurance. For the same reason replacing parts of your house is on you. What's your point? That's hardly a reason not to get solar. By that measure, we shouldn't buy anything.



    Ever heard of a thing called "Home Owner's Insurance?"

    Home Solar Panels: How Do They Affect Your Homeowners Insurance?

    Oh boy. Seriously.

    Google.com Start.Using.It.Now.

    So, do you admit your comment on "There's no market" is dead wrong?
    The point, you ask? It costs MORE money and we're in the middle of a recession. How stupid is it to force people into spending more money on their light bill, in the middle of the worst economic downturn since the Great Depression?

    Not only do people have to pay for the installation and maintanance of their solar power system, now, they have to insure it? And, you called me stupid?!?
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    IOW, they don't really have the first ****ing clue what to do. Right? That's what I thought.
    No, you're completely wrong, but I guess that's nothing new.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    It's not like solar panels were invented last year. They've been around for, what? 30 years? Weren't there solar panels powering Sky Lab? And, you claim that folks still haven't figured a way to employ solar power to replace petro-fuels?
    No, I'm claiming that up until relatively recently there hasn't been the kind of investment in this field that there needs to be simply because there hasn't been a whole lot of incentive. That is changing.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Educate me! Please!!!!
    I would absolutely love to, but I can't. I'm currently involved in some of the work that you're so blithely ridiculing me, but I've signed an NDA so I can't demonstrate to you how ignorant you really are.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I think that's the extent of it's praticality.
    I know you do, but you're wrong.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ahhh, I see. So, the answer that the treehuggers have--as usual--means more money out of the common man's pocket. yes?


    Are you kidding me?

    Insurance doesn't mean more money out of the taxpayer's pocket. Oh brother.

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    Ya' know what? Right now, I don't have to carry insurance on my electric service. Why the hell would I want to spend my own money on a system, that I had to insure? Care to explain how this good for me again?
    You don't insure the system.

    You insure the house it is installed in. Just like you would even if you didn't have such a system.

    Duh.
    I'm already gearing up for Finger Vote 2014.

    Just for reference, means my post was a giant steaming pile of sarcasm.

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