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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Care to look at your own posts? You derided the use of federal money to do exactly that. YOU said it.



    Wait. So you're against providing money to make solar more effective, but you want to continue research to make it more effective? How about we take some of those subsidies oil gets and allocate them to solar?

    Wow.
    I think he just wants to help boost their morale. Give them a pat on the back and say good job. He supports research but doesn't want to fund it. Problem is that isn't how it works in the real world. Unless you want people to make solar panels using our large mounds of refuse. Now that would be cost effective. Create jobs building something that doesn't work.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    I think he just wants to help boost their morale. Give them a pat on the back and say good job. He supports research but doesn't want to fund it.
    But he doesn't seem to have any problems funding coal, gas, oil and nuclear with federal subsidies. Including $1.6 billion in credits to research cleaner coal. I have at least three posts right now with evidence linking to significently large subsidies to those and nary a single peep about getting rid of them from him. I realize most people here are walking contriditions that could not define "consistency" if their life depended on it.

    Problem is that isn't how it works in the real world. Unless you want people to make solar panels using our large mounds of refuse. Now that would be cost effective. Create jobs building something that doesn't work.
    If we stripped out the subsidies gas, coal and nuclear get, solar would be in the ball park of cost effective.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    But he doesn't seem to have any problems funding coal, gas, oil and nuclear with federal subsidies. Including $1.6 billion in credits to research cleaner coal. I have at least three posts right now with evidence linking to significently large subsidies to those and nary a single peep about getting rid of them from him. I realize most people here are walking contriditions that could not define "consistency" if their life depended on it.



    If we stripped out the subsidies gas, coal and nuclear get, solar would be in the ball park of cost effective.
    I guess it goes along with the idea of 'don't fix what works'. Even if 'what works' is politically and environmentally flawed. Any attempt and we'll be "reading Marx by candlelight".

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    I guess it goes along with the idea of 'don't fix what works'. Even if 'what works' is politically and environmentally flawed. Any attempt and we'll be "reading Marx by candlelight".
    I think it's more "I'm too partisan and proud to admit that maybe I could be wrong and that my belief system isn't fact based."

    Subsidies for solar are bad....but subsidies for fossil are good? I mentioned a better idea, 30 year tax break, you know cutting taxes for them and no praise. I guess $4 billion in annual tax breaks for oil is okay, but not for solar.

    I don't want to see our money flowing out to buy foreign solar. But some people here do. It's amazing how some people here can call themselves patriots and hold positions that are diametrically opposed to the future of this country.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    I think it's more "I'm too partisan and proud to admit that maybe I could be wrong and that my belief system isn't fact based."

    Subsidies for solar are bad....but subsidies for fossil are good? I mentioned a better idea, 30 year tax break, you know cutting taxes for them and no praise. I guess $4 billion in annual tax breaks for oil is okay, but not for solar.

    I don't want to see our money flowing out to buy foreign solar. But some people here do. It's amazing how some people here can call themselves patriots and hold positions that are diametrically opposed to the future of this country.
    It's how constrained someones vision of the world is. If they don't directly reap benefits it isn't "cost-efficient."

    He is restricted in his volume for improvement and has limited or no ability to affect his surroundings.

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    I don't want that either. Maybe we can't always win technologically? Doesn't mean we shouldent try to at least attempt to pave way for advancement. We have discussed solar energy for YEARS and haven't made much of an attempt to improve and implement it in some fashion.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I believe we should be investing in all of it--soloar, wind, oil, natural gas, nukes, hydro. However, that would make too much sense to most folks on the Left.

    Somebody might **** around and actually make some money. Can't have that!
    I agree that we should be looking into all forms of renewable energy, but we know nuclear power is very efficient and works great. I think we should make due with what we know right now (by building nuclear plants) and still look into other energy options. Somewhat like drilling for oil and using our oil now before we find an answer to replace oil with a renewable fuel.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by digsbe View Post
    I agree that we should be looking into all forms of renewable energy, but we know nuclear power is very efficient and works great. I think we should make due with what we know right now (by building nuclear plants) and still look into other energy options. Somewhat like drilling for oil and using our oil now before we find an answer to replace oil with a renewable fuel.
    Only problem i have with nuclear is im unsure how plants can handle natural events such as earthquakes, tornados, storms, and hurricanes. Had a nuclear power plant recently evocated and part of it was ripped apart here due to a tornado. In no way do i disagree with you with the funding in nuclear power. Cause as far as i understand they ARE pretty safe, efficient, clean, and more renewable then other unrenewable sources. Nuclear should take part in the conversion to renewable sources. It's one step closer to a goal.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    Only problem i have with nuclear is im unsure how plants can handle natural events such as earthquakes, tornados, storms, and hurricanes. Had a nuclear power plant recently evocated and part of it was ripped apart here due to a tornado. In no way do i disagree with you with the funding in nuclear power. Cause as far as i understand they ARE pretty safe, efficient, clean, and more renewable then other unrenewable sources. Nuclear should take part in the conversion to renewable sources. It's one step closer to a goal.
    Nuclear is definitely the right track.

    I think 60% of new money should go towards new construction loan guarantees and kilowatt subsidies, 30% towards getting Thorium reactors commercial viable, and the rest towards workable fusion.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Nuclear is definitely the right track.

    I think 60% of new money should go towards new construction loan guarantees and kilowatt subsidies, 30% towards getting Thorium reactors commercial viable, and the rest towards workable fusion.
    I hope so. I mean we don't really inevitably expect space travel to infinitely run off fossil fuels? The answer lies within the sun.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    I hope so. I mean we don't really inevitably expect space travel to infinitely run off fossil fuels? The answer lies within the sun.
    Well, one day I hope mankind figures out how to control a qantum singularity. The capacity for energy generation is limited only by matter.
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