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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Great post. The only way (I believe) to fund these programs are in intervals. I think once success starts to kick in with initial investments maybe putting larger ones in can become a viable option. Large lump sums would definately create outrage in the public. Especially with the current economy.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    Great post. The only way (I believe) to fund these programs are in intervals. I think once success starts to kick in with initial investments maybe putting larger ones in can become a viable option. Large lump sums would definately create outrage in the public. Especially with the current economy.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Our country couldn't afford to build Hoover Dam now.
    It's also a Great thing that we don't have to. :-)

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by LimeLight View Post
    It's also a Great thing that we don't have to. :-)
    All that electricity is gravy now a days.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Our country couldn't afford to build Hoover Dam now.
    Certainly the bush administration has precipitated this mess. Imagine the cost of the Iraq war some 1.5 trillion.. instead of that having been spent on securing oil contracts for big oil companies.. having spent it towards a new sustainable energy infrastructure. It really is a shame what the republican party has done to the US. Destroyed a surplus they inherited from the democrats, destroyed the economy via deregulation, precipitated America's largest natural ecological disaster via deregulation of big oil, doubled the national debt, destroyed America's leadership role almost completely in political realms(the bush administration was globally hated).. on and on. Now the democrats are back in power and republicans are filibustering healthcare, financial reform of the banks, economic stimulus spending. Hell them bastards couldn't spend the money fast enough when GW was in office. Now look at them pretending to be "economically conservative" by bashing the people that probably lost their jobs under the bush administration as being welfare bums or w/e. The republican party has become a bunch of petty dupes for wall street and big oil.

    This small move by Obama is only a tiny baby step compared to what needs to be done. Of course the republicans will fight it all the way.

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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by independent_thinker2002 View Post
    Our country couldn't afford to build Hoover Dam now.
    Sure we could, and now would be the perfect time to embark on such an endeavor.
    It is not very unreasonable that the rich should contribute to the public expense, not only in proportion to their revenue, but something more than in that proportion.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    They're going to make the money from solar panel production, anyway, because union workers in America waon't work for less than $75 an hour.
    What IS your argument? You keep changing topics left and right without any semblance of coherent thought.

    And furthermore, that GM number has been rebuked and virtually no other union has that pay scheme and you are clearly unaware that as a percentage of workers, Union membership is at a all time low. Less than 10% of all workers are union.

    Seriously. GOOGLE.COM. USE IT.

    $70 billion? That's all? My point is, yes, there is a market for solar panels to charge trolling motor batteries and lighted road signs and the like, but the technology doesn't exist to provide high volumes of power to a city. That market doesn't exist. It's naive to think that the technology is just sitting there, waiting to be kicked into high gear within a few weeks. We're talking decades, before solar power will be that advanced. Meanwhile, we need to go with what's tried and true, rather than trying to make a phonograph needle out of a peanut.
    You do realize that $70 billion is larger then a fair number of industries in the US no? Oh wait. You don't know.

    Once again, you are wrong:
    World's largest photovoltaic power plants (ranking 1-50)

    Again, USE GOOGLE BEFORE POSTING.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    Can't the oil and gas industry already support itself?
    Apparently not:

    Nation & World | As oil industry fights a spill-cleanup tax, it reaps large subsidies | Seattle Times Newspaper

    According to the most recent study by the Congressional Budget Office, released in 2005, capital investments such as oil-field leases and drilling equipment are taxed at an effective rate of 9 percent, significantly lower than the overall rate of 25 percent for businesses in general and lower than virtually any other industry.

    For many small and midsize oil companies, the tax on capital investments is so low that it is more than eliminated by various credits. These companies' returns on those investments are often higher after taxes than before.
    That's ridiculous.

    So Apdst thinks that Solar is not viable because it needs subsidies...but oil is despite its subsidies? Talk about logically incoherent.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I believe we should be investing in all of it--soloar, wind, oil, natural gas, nukes, hydro. However, that would make too much sense to most folks on the Left.

    Somebody might **** around and actually make some money. Can't have that!
    Directly lying about what people say doesn't make you right. It makes you a liar.

    Very few people have come out against all of those. And most of us who are against additional oil expansion are against it primarily for national security reasons. The longer the US stay on oil, the more money goes to Chavez, the Mullahs and Putin. Tell me why that is a good thing. Or just run away.
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    Re: Obama to invest $2 billion in solar power

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    I don't think that anyone has said that we shouldn't continue to do the research to improve it
    Care to look at your own posts? You derided the use of federal money to do exactly that. YOU said it.

    only that we can't just shut down the oil and gas industry, then turn around and sink billions of dollars into something that, at this time, isn't cost effective. How much sense does that make?
    Wait. So you're against providing money to make solar more effective, but you want to continue research to make it more effective? How about we take some of those subsidies oil gets and allocate them to solar?

    Wow.
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