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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozengale View Post
    Yes that would be the common sense thing to do. But what if you didn't know the rag was dirty? I'm not sure how the whole cleaning process works so I'm just going off of Obvious Child's statements and playing devils advocate. From what he said it sounds like they use powerful chemicals to clean the water then release it back. If we don't know how harmful the chemicals are or are not then we are blindly picking up a rag and wiping. So yes common sense says to not use a dirty rag and get a clean one. But what you're saying is we should blindly pick a rag and not check if it is dirty, then use it. We have a chance for success and a chance we just make a bigger mess. Obvious Child is saying that we should make sure we don't do the bigger mess bit.

    I know thinking through analogies can be difficult but please don't just assume I'm leaving out common sense
    No offense, but your last two posts totally suspend common sense and precludes that, as the Leftists have advocated since Day 1 of the spill, we do, nothing.

    Alls that needs to happen, is to pump a couple thousand gallons through the ship's filtering system and test the water that comes out of the other end. That should take, what? A day?!?

    We'er seperating water from oil. That ain't rocket science. Oilfield hands do it everyday with heater-treaters and seperators designed for that exact purpose.

    It's highly possible that the ship uses oil/gas/water seperators to clean the water.

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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    No offense, but your last two posts totally suspend common sense and precludes that, as the Leftists have advocated since Day 1 of the spill, we do, nothing.
    HOW do they not contain common sense? I'm not saying do nothing, I'm saying make sure you don't do something worse. That's about as sensible as common sense gets I would think. I'm all for cleaning up the spill, but if Obvious Child brings up a LEGITIMATE CLAIM then I'm going to defend it until someone can shoot it down with something else that is more logical and makes more sense (Just like I would defend you if you bring up what I believe to be a legitimate claim). Use logic please and debate the claim instead of trying to shoot down the messenger and getting stuck on petty little things such as analogies being imperfect.
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Frozengale View Post
    HOW do they not contain common sense? I'm not saying do nothing, I'm saying make sure you don't do something worse. That's about as sensible as common sense gets I would think. I'm all for cleaning up the spill, but if Obvious Child brings up a LEGITIMATE CLAIM then I'm going to defend it until someone can shoot it down with something else that is more logical and makes more sense (Just like I would defend you if you bring up what I believe to be a legitimate claim). Use logic please and debate the claim instead of trying to shoot down the messenger and getting stuck on petty little things such as analogies being imperfect.
    You're not saying do something! I mean, how on earth, could a skimmer ship make thing worse? Skimmer ships don't use chemicals to seperate the oil. They either use filters, scrubbers, or seperate the oil and water using heater-treaters. Common sense can easily explain how either of those three methods won't make things worse. Meanwhile, while the treehuggers wring their hands, worrying about, "making things worse"--as if that were possible--the oil is steadily belching from MC 252.

    I hope you're not one of those Libbos that always calls the Righties the, "party of no".
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're not saying do something! I mean, how on earth, could a skimmer ship make thing worse? Skimmer ships don't use chemicals to seperate the oil. They either use filters, scrubbers, or seperate the oil and water using heater-treaters. Common sense can easily explain how either of those three methods won't make things worse. Meanwhile, while the treehuggers wring their hands, worrying about, "making things worse"--as if that were possible--the oil is steadily belching from MC 252.

    I hope you're not one of those Libbos that always calls the Righties the, "party of no".
    Well okay then you should have said so. I don't know how a skimmer works, and Obvious Child brought up a reasonable sounding claim and all you were doing was shooting down him without explanation. That's why I was defending him. If the Skimmer has no chance of making things worse then go ahead and start skimming, let's get this over with. And what do you mean by Libbo? Liberal or Libertarian? Because Libertarian is very different from Liberal. And if you look at my lean I'm Libertarian not Liberal. And I have never heard a Libertarian call Conservatives the "Party of No". Stop being so freaking defensive.

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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    What spill response tactic/strategy have you supported/suggested? Seriously, aside from a buncha clowns doing a half-assed job of policing tarballs on the beach, what have you supported?

    Did you support:

    Burning?
    Yes, so long as the toxicity of the pollution emitted by burning the oil is less damaging to the ecology and economy of the region than the oil that is being burned.

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    Skimming?
    Yes.

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    Sand Berms?
    Yes.

    I also strongly support use of the Taiwanese "super skimmer," provided it actually works as advertised. Keep in mind, until a few weeks ago, this ship was an iron ore carrier. Its crew has no oil-skimming experience, the company is not in the business of separating oil from water, and skimming what's on the surface doesn't do diddly to what's roiling around beneath the water's surface. Surely you remember those magical "dispersants" we were spraying around willy nilly; we discovered too late that they only made our oil collection efforts that much more difficult.


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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Glinda View Post
    Yes, so long as the toxicity of the pollution emitted by burning the oil is less damaging to the ecology and economy of the region than the oil that is being burned.



    Yes.



    Yes.

    I also strongly support use of the Taiwanese "super skimmer," provided it actually works as advertised. Keep in mind, until a few weeks ago, this ship was an iron ore carrier. Its crew has no oil-skimming experience, the company is not in the business of separating oil from water, and skimming what's on the surface doesn't do diddly to what's roiling around beneath the water's surface. Surely you remember those magical "dispersants" we were spraying around willy nilly; we discovered too late that they only made our oil collection efforts that much more difficult.

    You should be mad as hell that Obama's crew totally ignored all of these approaches to containing the spill.

    In actuallity, the dispersants were found to be far less toxic than the oil. Go figger!

    http://www.wwltv.com/news/local/EPA-...-97507809.html
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You're not saying do something! I mean, how on earth, could a skimmer ship make thing worse? Skimmer ships don't use chemicals to seperate the oil. They either use filters, scrubbers, or seperate the oil and water using heater-treaters. Common sense can easily explain how either of those three methods won't make things worse. Meanwhile, while the treehuggers wring their hands, worrying about, "making things worse"--as if that were possible--the oil is steadily belching from MC 252.

    I hope you're not one of those Libbos that always calls the Righties the, "party of no".
    So you have no idea of the method of cleaning this ship uses, but let's do it anyway? Sounds like someone said recently...Ready..fire..aim.

    I've tried to find something that would explain the method this ship uses to separate the oil from the water and how effective it's methods are, but all I can find is article after article saying the same thing - Taiwanese ship on it's way to the Gulf.
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You should be mad as hell that Obama's crew totally ignored all of these approaches to containing the spill.

    In actuallity, the dispersants were found to be far less toxic than the oil. Go figger!

    EPA: Dispersants less toxic than oil | wwltv.com | Local News
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    However, he cautioned that more testing was needed to study how toxic the dispersants are when mixed with oil. This round of testing only studied the chemicals not mixed with oil.
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by apdst View Post
    You should be mad as hell that Obama's crew totally ignored all of these approaches to containing the spill.
    Hm. As far as I can tell (and there's acres of evidence to prove it) we HAVE been using burning, skimming, and sand berms (among other things) on this spill.



    From where, exactly, do you get your oil spill news?

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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Oh, and about those dispersants...

    First of all, something that is "less toxic than oil," is still toxic. (Logic 101)

    Secondly:

    Although the manufacturer's safety data sheet on Corexit concludes that "The potential human hazard is: Low,” they also admit that "No toxicity studies have been conducted on this product." Nalco advises that workers applying Corexit should wear breathing protection and work in a ventilated area.

    Environmentalists have worked to compel Nalco to publicly reveal the chemical compound and concentrations of each chemical are in the product, but although Nalco has divulged the chemical constituents, they have refused to release any data about concentrations. The company claims that the information is proprietary and considers that information to be a trade secret. They also claim to have shared that information with the EPA.

    One chemical found in Corexit 9527, 2-butoxyethanol, was identified as having caused lasting health problems in workers involved in the cleanup of the Exxon Valdez oil spill, including "respiratory, nervous system, liver, kidney and blood disorders".

    The government's Deepwater Horizon Response website reports that more than more than 1.62 million gallons of dispersants have been used thus far, including more than 1.03 million gallons of surface dispersant and more than 590,000 gallons of subsea dispersant. --Environmental effects of oil dispersant used in Gulf, concerns
    The people who make this stuff don't even know what it will do.

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