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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

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    No one is suggesting doing nothing, but what people dont want is to rush a solution that will only create bigger problems. I know this is a big Conservative "thing", but it's not a positive road to take.

    Rushing in with a solution that may make your problem worse is not a good way to solve problems.
    And removing oil makes the problem worse?!?!? Dispersants do make elements of the problem worse, and there was no rush to stop using those...
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    We are not talking about chemicals that DISPERSE the oil, we are talking about a ship that REMOVES it...
    Correction. You guys were talking about a ship that removes. After post #4, it went to chemicals.
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

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    And removing oil makes the problem worse?!?!? Dispersants do make elements of the problem worse, and there was no rush to stop using those...
    Removing oil leaves behind contaminants that are difficult to detect or remove. If the mass of the oil stays in the water, these contaminants cling to the oil
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Removing oil leaves behind contaminants that are difficult to detect or remove. If the mass of the oil stays in the water, these contaminants cling to the oil
    But there are fewer contaminants in the water than before it went through the skimming process....
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Removing oil leaves behind contaminants that are difficult to detect or remove. If the mass of the oil stays in the water, these contaminants cling to the oil
    There are already some 500 skimmers working in the Gulf. This one is massive in comparison and can do more work than all of them combined... so, why not put it to work... it isn't American, or something? Afraid the Taiwanese can do something better than the Americans can?!?!?
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    No one is suggesting doing nothing, but what people dont want is to rush a solution that will only create bigger problems. I know this is a big Conservative "thing", but it's not a positive road to take.

    Rushing in with a solution that may make your problem worse is not a good way to solve problems.
    What are you suggesting be done? Nothing, as far as I can tell. Make the spill worse? I'm having a hard time getting my mind around that idea.
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    But there are fewer contaminants in the water than before it went through the skimming process....
    But the contaminants that do remain are harder to detect and eradicate while being just as toxic

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    There are already some 500 skimmers working in the Gulf. This one is massive in comparison and can do more work than all of them combined... so, why not put it to work... it isn't American, or something? Afraid the Taiwanese can do something better than the Americans can?!?!?
    I cant speak to operations already underway as I dont know the physical mechanism by which these ships work, if they return water back to the sea in a clean state or not.
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    But the contaminants that do remain are harder to detect and eradicate while being just as toxic
    So, taking most of the oil leaves it JUST AS TOXIC as not taking it out?

    I cant speak to operations already underway as I dont know the physical mechanism by which these ships work, if they return water back to the sea in a clean state or not.
    It will return it in a CLEANER state than before. Isn't that a positive? Or the liberal response, it won't make it 99.9% pure so let's leave the oil in the Gulf... rediculous...
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by ludahai View Post
    So, taking most of the oil leaves it JUST AS TOXIC as not taking it out?
    Removing the oil and returning the water to the ocean before it's been completely cleaned will make the problem more difficult to combat.

    It will return it in a CLEANER state than before. Isn't that a positive? Or the liberal response, it won't make it 99.9% pure so let's leave the oil in the Gulf... rediculous...
    What is returned exponentially harder to fully clean and therefore means the damage to the environment will be greater as it cannot be effectively removed.
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    Re: Taiwanese oil 'super skimmer' arrives in Gulf of Mexico

    Quote Originally Posted by Hoplite View Post
    Removing the oil and returning the water to the ocean before it's been completely cleaned will make the problem more difficult to combat.


    What is returned exponentially harder to fully clean and therefore means the damage to the environment will be greater as it cannot be effectively removed.
    It can't be fully cleaned as it is. We have no way of fully cleaning it. So, the solution is to let it remain in the Gulf until some super new technology comes about (in a hundred years or so that WILL fully clean it?!?!? Please, tell us what more effective method there is of cleaning this up RIGHT NOW than the Taiwanese A Whale skimmer! Please, the world would really like to know... How can ANY SOLUTION we have right now be any better than this?!?! Dispertants are better? You like dumping thousands of liters of disperants on it every day?!? Is that the better solution, because at the moment, that IS the solution -- save for those tiny boats skimming a small fraction of oil in the Gulf now and NOT skimming 100% of it either, for the record. Or, is this because some Taiwanese businessman put a PRIVATE, COMMERCIAL solution to a problem the government has not been able to solve!?!? Is that is?!?!?

    I am having a problem believing the left can actually be this moronic...
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